Exit and Support Network

Letters From Those Impacted by
WCG, HWA & Offshoots

January 1, 2019 to Present

 

I Asked the Lord to Help Me Not to Be Deceived:

January 17, 2019

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that your site really helped me, hugely! I've been reading and listening to Tim Carpenter of "I Saw the Light Ministries." I kept asking the Lord to help me not to be deceived and, today, I found your site. Phew! I have a bunch of reading to do, from your site, to get deprogrammed. I knew nothing about the Armstrong groups and I struggled with how he (Tim) was getting all this information that no one else seemed to have. I am thankful that your site is explaining the roots of the Armstrong beliefs. I'm wondering if he (Tim) just put his own spin on it when he created his own version of the Bible because he says all other versions are based on the Babylonian Hebrew while his is based on the original Greek Hebrew that Jesus spoke. My head has been in a whirl about what is truth and what isn't anymore. Ugh!

I don't even know if you have time to read this and answer but I could really use help right now to find my way back to the peace I used to have in Christ. --J. S.

Reply: I'm glad you found our site and that it helped you. I had never heard of Tim Carpenter and his "I Saw the Light Ministries" but it appears that he is holding to a lot of Herbert Armstrong dogma and has probably put his own spin on it. Many of the Herbert Armstrong groups exploit people financially. They usually say they have "the truth" and other churches are wrong. Christ warns us to beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. We have several sections on our site which can be very helpful; i. e., Understanding Mind Control & Exploitive Groups, Healing From Emotional & Spiritual Abuse, and Articles on Grace & Law (and other teachings).

Christ is still there for you. He will never leave you. Just keep asking Him for discernment and to know more about His marvelous grace. It is only through Him that we can have lasting peace.

Frustrating Trying to Figure Out Which Church is Genuine:

January 30, 2019

Hi, I am glad I stumbled across your website. As a child I was in WCG until the age of 16 when I could make up my own mind and I left. But lately at 57 I am being pulled back to religion and God's Word and laws. But do you know of a church I can go to that is not a cult or a false church as it is very frustrating trying to figure out which church is genuine. --Regards, M. C.

Reply: here is nothing wrong with being pulled back to God's Word, but it is important to understand why we are not under the Mosaic Law today (see our Q&A under "Questions About the Law, Works or Salvation") We need to be very discerning about which religious group we become involved with. Any church or ministry that attempts to control you emotionally, spiritually and financially, especially saying you must work for your salvation, or send lots of money to them in order to stay in God's favor, are ones to stay away from.

Helpful ministries are: Bob George's ministry which has helpful material and articles and Thru the Bible with the late J. Vernon McGee who goes through the entire Word of God in five years going back and forth from the O. T. to the N.T.

Enjoy Reading the Interesting Posts:

February 1, 2019

I am a former member of the WWCG from '88-'95. I enjoy reading the interesting posts on your website; it’s great to know that I am not the only one who feels that we were once in a cult but didn’t know that at the time. Also, could you please send me a copy of Herbert Armstrong’s Tangled Web? Sounds like a great book!

Thanks for all that you do. --T. J.

Grace Communion International is the Same Old:

February 19, 2019

In a way WCG is really worse. Grace Communion International's website states we need to attend Church and tithing is good. "Become a member" pops up in your face, too. It's the same old but a fancy new site.

I was looking for some info on new president, Greg Williams. All I see is he had HWA's upbringing and schooling and they make it look OK.

I was re-reading the OIU newsletters on your site. My goodness, they are excellent. --Canada

What Are the Credentials of Greg Williams?

February 24, 2019

One other important thing is that there was no input from members regarding the appointment of Greg Williams. Just the same old in-house cronyism. Tkach has also conveniently maintained a position on the advisory board with again no input from membership.

I recall the early days of the doctrinal changes and how many of the top brass rushed to get some sort of "shake and bake" PhD in theology. All done at the expense of the church so as to give the leadership more "street cred" among other theologians. As far as I can tell Greg Williams has no such credentials. --B. B.

Comment: Greg Williams went to AC in 1979; taught history and PE at Imperial Schools; in 1985 was hired as a full-time ministerial trainee, ordained in 1986; worked with Youth for Christ; received a MA from Liberty University, and a D. Min from Drew University in 2014. (Excerpts from GCI Update, 9-24-14 and About Us / Executive Leadership on GCI website).

I Was Raised in Church of God in Christ, Mennonite (founded by John Holdeman)

February 24, 2019

Hello, I was born and raised in what some consider a cultic group (left this group 13 years ago) known as the church of God in Christ, Mennonite, or Holdeman Mennonite Church, a little known Mennonite sect founded in 1859 by John Holdeman, who left the Old Mennonite Church.

I recently have given myself to the study of churches and started reading the Bible as I have never read it before and it seems that what I always considered to be a "critical spirit" from ex-members and their comments about the CGCM, may actually be true. So many things I have discovered about this church that while for years I had a niggling way back in my head, but was too fearful to "check it out," have come to light!

But I have my father's voice in my head telling me that because I have a television in my home, and certain other disobediences to the church, that I can't be saved and also my grandmother's voice who on her deathbed telling me if I didn't go back to the church, that I would scream in hell someday.

Little by little, though, the chains are falling thanks be to God! They believe they are the one true visible church on earth and no salvation outside of it. Their way of life is what attracts people, it's clean and separate from the world; however, a very high percentage of its members are people who have been born into it, In 160 years they only boast 25,000 members or so worldwide. I was just wondering if you could perhaps dive into the teachings of this group as well and I would love to know what you think of it. Thanks! --T. I.

Reply: Hi, in our article entitled, All or Nothing Statements (from those that have "the truth")it lists: John Holdeman: Founder of Church of God in Christ, Mennonite (1832-1900): "Outside the true organized Church of God [CGCM] the whole truth has never been found and neither will ever be found outside of it."

That page has a link on it to "Comparing the One True Churches."

You will find many quotes from Holdeman on that site. Just do a search for the word Holdeman. There are also testimonies from ex-members of Holdeman's church

The group appears to have the characteristics of a Bible-based cult. Hope this is helpful.

My Heart Tells Me the Same:

(2nd email from person above)

February 25, 2019

Hi, yes I've read all that and I've even read some of his (Holdeman's) writings and my heart tells me the same. I think I was just wanting someone's unbiased and unadulterated opinion on them, so I appreciate that! Thanks for writing back --T. I.

Has Anyone Managed to Retrieve Funds from Restored Church of God?

February 26, 2019

I have just come across your website as I’m looking for help.

My dad recently passed away, but he became a member of the RCOG in 2017. He was depressed and lonely after 3 divorces, and moved in with me and started going to this group  shortly afterwards.

It's becoming apparent that his savings have all seemingly gone.

He did however grant Lasting Power of Attorney to me in 2015 before he joined RCG.

Do you have any experience of similar situations or of any solicitors that have managed to retrieve funds from RCOG in the past? I am in the UK.

Many thanks, --L.

Reply: I am sorry to hear about your father. Testimonies from former RCG members show that they have experienced loss, ruin and spiritual abuse from trusting this group. Unfortunately, I do not know of anyone who has been able to retrieve their funds once they send them to David Pack. RCG would simply say the person gave the money "willingly" even if it was actually coercion and deception.

Straitway Truth Ministry:

March 10, 2019

Hi, thank you for your website. I am the significant other of someone who belongs currently to the LCG. It has only been in the last few years that he became involved with this. It all started after he began doing "research." ...

My boyfriend is now completely obsessed with LCG, but not just that. He says he doesn't believe "everything" LCG says and he does "his own research." He always has an answer for everything and anything I say. He now believes he has been "grafted in" to Israel and says he's a spiritual Jew or a Hebrew Israelite.

He has come upon Pastor Charles Dowell, Jr. of Straitway Truth Ministry and has been listening to him for some time now. I just finally got around to watching this man's videos on my own and it's like "WOW." Everything my boyfriend has been spewing to me is coming directly from this man's mouth! The ministry is on a compound in TN and my boyfriend has an invitation to go there for one of the feasts.

I want to know if you have any information on this place, advice for me, and just reaching out to anyone that can help me. I don't want to lose him to all of this, but I'm starting to give up hope that I can get him out of this. He probably thinks I'm Satan. He actually thinks I will "come around," but there is literally no chance of me ever believing any of this.

What can I do?!? Thank you for your time. --[name removed]

Comment: This person has received a personal reply.

Straitway Truth Ministry follows many of the teachings of Herbert Armstrong. There have been complaints against them. Any religious group that wants to control their members' behavior, thoughts and information usually becomes financially exploitive.

Your Website is Invaluable:

March 15, 2019

Greetings to all, I found your website today. An answer to prayer. I am currently in a written discussion with a man who is a member of the GCI. He is part of our creation study group in Greenville, SC. I am not a member of the GCI.

He has written a book entitled Why Believe It? His name is John Huffman. After chapter 5, something didn't seem right. He is very smooth. Your site is invaluable. May the Lord bless your ministry. --South Carolina

Dave Pack Making More Predictions With Intense Fear:

March 18, 2019

Dave Pack is whipping up his members with intense fear. He is making more predictions about the return of Christ. Too bad, they will still follow him even when his false prophecies fall flat. --Impacted by RCG

You Are Doing a Wonderful, Compassionate Work:

April 6, 2019

 I am saddened to read of how many of my former "brethren" were suffering while being members of "God's true church." I think I fared a little better than some, in that I had an "unconverted spouse" the whole time, and as a result stayed on the fringes. Thank you for your website, testimonials and exposes on the WCG. I feel better already having written [about it]. You are doing a wonderful, compassionate work. --H.

Comment: This man has submitted a testimony: "I Was Never Happy."

Read Your Website With Keen Interest:

May 7, 2019

I just stumbled across your website a week ago, and I read with keen interest the articles, letters, etc. that you have shared with those of us who were once affiliated with the WCG cult. For one, my connection with this group began in 1970, when a co-worker in a local factory in my hometown of Chicago gave me a Plain Truth magazine. I was only 17 years old at the time.

I'm now 66 and recently retired, living in the area of Richmond, Virginia. The climax of my story was during the late 80s and early 90s, which involved a pastor by the name of John Ritenbaugh in Hammond, Indiana.

I intend on sharing with you the horrifying experience that I went through back then, and I'm not afraid to disclose my identity, if it can help a "wounded warrior" like myself.

Thank you for showing your courage in stepping up to the plate (or should I say, the microphone, even though it's in writing)! --Former WCG member

Thank You for Exposing These "Churches":

July 23, 2019

I just read some of the articles on your site and found them to be very encouraging. ... I want to thank you whole heartedly for exposing these "churches" and their false doctrines so that people will be aware. If something just does not sit right, or if it blatantly contradicts Scripture, we need to listen to that voice within us and stay clear of those groups that promote errors and lies. Blessings to you all for your superb work. --Canada


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