January 1, 2017 to present
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PCG Income Plummets Drastically--Flurry Calls for Fast:
January 24, 2017
Gerald Flurry recently sent out a Pastor's General's report that called for a church wide fast on January 15 or 16th (the members could choose which date). The PCG income has plummeted drastically. It seems that over 50% of its core membership are old school WCG senior citizens on Social Security. These people are not now required to tithe on that income but are being told to go out and get work if practicable. Also, the membership is being directed from HQ to increase the local congregational fund raisers in order to send more money to Edmond. With more and more people leaving or being disfellowshipped, coupled with a very low new member growth rate, all are combining to hit Flurry's grand aspirations very hard. I think the PCG is on the ropes in more ways than one.
The huge expense of maintaining that white elephant that is Armstrong Auditorium is an intense drain on the PCG's coffers. Also that pig in a poke UK college venture is also proving to be a severe money pit for the PCG. It was supposed to be the catalyst to finding the Stone of Scone and Jeremiah's tomb. None of these prophecies have come to pass.
The recent concerts series produced/directed by Ryan Malone and performed chiefly by the River Dancing Flurry Grandchildren has not been the commercial success with the local Edmonites what was hoped for. These concerts are also a money consumer and are little more than a chance to show off the talents of the Flurry grandchildren and titillate the local PCG members.
Gerald Flurry has prophesied that Trump is the "End Time Jeroboam" that will ally with Joe Jr. Tkach and the WCG and finally kick the PCG members out of the USA, exiling them to Jordan/Petra. Flurry has also made a prophesy that Trump will be the last President of the USA because the Tribulation is very, very close and could happen at any time.
The recent PCG Feast of Tabernacles held in Lexington, Kentucky was a severe let down compared to years past. The PCG turnout at the designated hotel/conference center was smaller than expected and they were forced into a much smaller meeting hall/venue. Ironically the Living Church of God was meeting in the same hotel and had around the same amount of people attending. Philadelphians and Laodiceans mingling? Shame!
I hope this has been of some help.--Former PCG member [name withheld]
PCG's Money is Drying Up:
January 24, 2017
I think PCG's money is drying up and they don'
t have disposable cash for advertising; e., g., on Facebook, like they used to. I even noticed the quality of the paper used to print the Trumpet is not as good as it used to be. --Impacted by PCG
Mark Saranga Kicks Daughter Out of House:
January 25, 2017
Mark Saranga took over as head of the PCG Mail Processing Dept. when Mark Nash was unceremoniously fired from that position. His daughter Alicia was seeing a "worldly" boy at the public school she attended, so Mark Saranga kicked her out of the house never to return (which is in keeping with Gerald Flurry's disfellowshipping policy). Alicia was a minor and around 16 years old at the time. She had no place to go as the other PCG members were too afraid of Gerald Flurry putting them out, too, for sheltering someone thrown out of the PCG. People are in fear of the ministry.
Alicia had to go to the local office of Health and Human Services and tell them she was basically homeless without any means of support. The State put her into foster care and she has been there ever since. Her father Mark Saranga is still an "upstanding minister" in the PCG. He writes for the Philadelphia Trumpet and Royal Vision magazine and his work is predominantly featured on the PCG website. Ironically, one of his current articles on there is about the Sandy Hook tragedy and how to protect your children. This coming from a man who kicked out his minor aged daughter to the curb for seeing a boy in school.
Not only are Gerald Flurry's insane policies destroying the PCG financially, but they are also causing a local strain on the taxpayers as the kicked out minor aged children of the PCG members are relying on the State to survive. --[name withheld]
Ask the State to Bill Mark Saranga:
January 26, 2017
Parents have a financial responsibility for their underage children. I suggest we ask the state to bill Mark Saranga for Alicia's care at the foster home of Health & Human Services. Maybe that would wake somebody up. --J. G.
PCG Should Be Investigated:
January 28, 2017
The letter concerning Mark Saranga and his daughter Alicia breaks my heart. What a cruel and ruthless thing to do. I am reminded of what Jesus preached about the prodigal son and how he treated the lady at the well, and many of the other wonderful things He did for sinners. Flurry claims to preach the gospel to the world. What gospel? One of destroying the family? There is certainly no love, grace and truth in what he and his ministers preach. By not preaching the true gospel the PCG is twice cursed according to the Apostle Paul.
Now that Obama and Clinton have been taken care of and the USA has a Christian and Jewish supporting President, we who are suffering under the PCG rules should contact our new president and request him to have this so called "church" investigated for breaking any law on child care and have the IRS do a financial audit on them. I cannot remember when last we saw audited accounts from the PCG or any of their branches around the world.
I remember many years ago that the FBI was very interested in H. Armstrong and the WCG. --W.
Comment: Read letter "FBI Files on Herbert Armstrong" and the comments following.
Authorities Need to Investigate PCG Child Abuse and Finances:
January 29, 2017
I remember years ago one of the governmental authorities called us regarding investigating PCG and they told us the two areas they could and would investigate was in child abuse and finances.
We hope someone does something quickly. Thousands of families have been horribly ruined and disunited leaving a wake of illness, sadness and destruction of once loving families with their one scripture of destructing families of "no contact" so-called Doctrine.
When did Jesus Christ ever tell children to ignore their parents (against the commandment to honor) and for parents to "throw out" their beloved, darling children.
We pray for these people to understand the "grace" message of Christ and repent. --Former member whose loving family has been affected by the destructive cult . . . the PCG (Poor Coercive ["church"] Government)
Making Money is More Important to Flurry Than Keeping Families Together:
January 30, 2017
The scripture Flurry uses to separate families is Matthew 10:34-38:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."
What it really means is this; here is the answer Flurry does not want you to know. Christ was talking about people who would believe that He was the prophesied Savior that was to come, and those who would not. It is not talking about a family of Christians who all believe that Christ is Savior, but about believers and unbelievers.
In a lot of homes there are people, meaning son, daughter, husband and wife who would believe Christ is the Savior, and some would not. Sometimes families in the same household would belong to different religions. Because of this simple fact, there will be divisions among them, because of their beliefs. Flurry twisted this scripture to his benefit. Making money is far more important to him than keeping families together. Flurry twisted this scripture to mean, if your family is not in his "church," the members should have nothing to do with them; in other words, cut them off. --Former lost member of PCG
Something is Seriously Wrong With PCG:
January 31, 2017
I was reading the letter about the drastic drop in the income for the PCG. I remember from back in the old WCG days that HWA said the proof of God's blessing on "The Work of God" was a 30% increase in income and new membership annually. HWA always said that "when we please God then He is pleased with us" and will bless the Work accordingly.
So if Gerald Flurry really thinks that HWA was God's true End Time Apostle as Flurry has always preached, then HWA's teaching on church growth absolutely condemns the PCG. When you have to send your elderly church members out to work to drag in additional income so the Edmond HQ elites can live the life of luxury, then something is seriously wrong somewhere.
I hope that when Gerald Flurry finally dies the new leadership will undo the horrible damage that has been done since the early '90s when this nightmare began. --M. M.
Stephen Flurry Will Be Just Like His Dad:
January 31, 2017
Unfortunately, Stephen Flurry has been groomed to take his father's place when the inevitable happens, and I believe he'll be just like him. --L. B.
Drying Up of PCG Information:
February 5, 2017
I am an habitual reader of your site and have been curious about developments with the PCG. Your Letters section of your site always was a source of updated information but lately, it would seem there has been a tightening of security on the part of the PCG where no one is daring to provide you with any information as to what is going on on the inside. Maybe the PCG has been reduced to a core of unshakeable believers who coupled with the fiery sermons coming from the pulpit that all those sites out there on the internet are the tools of the devil to destroy the "one and only true church" and anyone leaking information to them is destined for the lake of fire and this is why the code of silence is being strictly respected.
Or, maybe it is that the PCG phenomenon has lost its luster, is really going nowhere fast and former and current members have simply lost the will to do anything about it. Those that are in it are content to stay there hoping that it is the right place and those that are no longer part of it have moved on and don't care what happens to it. Of course, other factors may be at work but the end result has been a progressive drying up of information coming out on what's going on inside the PCG.
Too bad, I, like I'm sure many others, were hoping to see this great hoax of a church fall apart and the leaders having to get real jobs out in the world which some of them would have found it a very difficult thing to do given their poor skills and abilities. But, it seems to be maintaining itself though not at the same level as before; they seem to be building fewer grand structures.
Hope people inside the PCG, at least some of them, get back to sharing with your site what is going on inside the PCG. --[name withheld]
John Macdonald Cuts Off Mel Tupas and His Wife for Trivial Incident:
February 6, 2017
This is just another sad story among the many on your page. Here is one tragedy.
For a background, the couple are Mr. and Mrs. Melchizedek Tupas. They were last seen at the Feast of Tabernacles in 2013.
The couple received the wrath of the former Regional Director of the PCG, John Macdonald due to a trivial incident that happened during the Feast. During one of the services, Mel Tupas forgot to turn-off his mobile phone and, unexpectedly, it sounded an alarm which caught the attention of John Macdonald. That made the man who is well known for his temper and harshness to give the couple the equivalent of capital punishment immediately. They were suspended and not allowed to attend services anymore after that Feast. As called for by the PCG's unreasonable and much abused NO CONTACT POLICY, all the children of the couple who are in the PCG were automatically prevented from having any contact with their parents. They were to be treated like they don't exist anymore or like they are dead already. Consequently, the Tupas couple were abandoned, neglected and forsaken by their children to prove their loyalty and faithfulness to their ministers.
The Tupas family are not really from Angeles city. They are from Rizal, Palawan, Philippines and they used to have a good life there. All their children were born and raised as well as educated in Palawan. Then things took a wild turn when John Macdonald started to pursue a dream of turning Angeles City into a little Edmond, Oklahoma.
We still do not know the fate of this couple as they have not been able to contact any friends and family.
I wish to remain anonymous. Maybe someone reading your site could help us. --Anonymous
Parent Closed Mouthed in Regard to PCG:
February 7, 2017
I agree with the author of the Feb. 5 letter who stated that less information is getting out regarding the PCG. I too have always checked ESN to see what new atrocities were happening in the PCG. I have a parent who attends but they are very closed mouth in regards to what the PCG is up to. I will say that my parent is no closer to leaving as I would have hoped. Brexit [see: Was Herbert Armstrong Right About Britain Exiting the European Union?] and Trump and a few other global events have made them even more convinced that they are in the "one true church."
On another note, I read that California is no longer under drought conditions, something I remember the PCG making a big deal over. I wonder what happens when events that they insist are the sign of the end times either do not occur or stop occurring. I guess they just brush it under the table with all the other dusty prophecies and keep banging the drum. I still have hope that my parent will see the light but I doubt it. --Name withheld
Flurry Says Trump Will Deport PCG Members from United States:
February 13, 2017
This last Sabbath Gerald Flurry said that Trump is going to deport the members of the PCG from the United States. This is when they will be going to the place of safety. This is only one more way for GF to squeeze more money from the members. When it doesn’t happen, it will be forgotten.--F. S.
PCG Building Fund Down:
February 16, 2017
A friend who has access to the Philadelphia News said that their building fund income is down. Other things like second and third tithe went up. They want the money from the building fund to continue improving their musical dance building and for other building ventures. They are also encouraging fundraisers in this upcoming year to bring in money. --Anonymous
February 21, 2017
In the July-August Royal Vision article, "Hebrews is Mainly For Our Day!" Gerald Flurry has "new revelation" about the book of Hebrews which he says is urgent. Flurry believes Paul wrote the book of Hebrews between A.D. 65 and 67 (i. e., A.D. 66), and since the church fled to Pella just three years later, his conclusion is:
"Since God has given us new revelation to understand this at this time, it could be a signal that we might be about three years from going to the place of safety." (p. 1)
The most ridiculous and heretical thing he said was:
"if Christ had sinned one time, He would have died forever." p. 24
How can God die?? Jesus was God in the flesh! [Read PDF booklet: The Deity of Christ]
According to GF, Satan is "growing more and more enraged" (even at this article) and is coming after PCG members "in many ways." (p. 24) The only way they can "overcome Satan" is to stay close to their High Priest. (Yet John says Christians have already overcome the wicked one. (I John 2:13-14). And this verse: I John 4:4 "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world."
How many times has Flurry claimed "new revelation" about this and that book of the Bible? How many times has he warned that we only have a few years left? [Read quotes from Philadelphia Church of God and the Place of Safety.]
This article is sick! It is delivered with fear and threats and is filled with so many misapplications of Scripture, that it would be a waste of time to quote more of what he said. --Anonymous
PCG to Take HWA's Prayer Rock When They Flee:
February 21, 2017
All the talk this past Sabbath at services was about the PCG's plan to take HWA's “prayer rock"
with them when they flee. --W. S.
Evil, Deceptive Men Who Have Deliberately Used Innocent People:
February 21, 2017
I can't have any sympathy for GF or HWA. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are evil, deceptive men who have deliberately used innocent people. They both just used people for what they could get from them--for their money and to control them. They are so full of the devil I can't even stand to see their faces. They both have such smug looks on their faces on their books, almost as if they are mocking me. All these leaders are messing with people's minds and they know it; they have absolutely no remorse for what they've done. I will not, however, give up trying to convince and warn others of what they and their organizations are. --Impacted by PCG
Gerald Flurry a Master at Using Weasel Words:
February 21, 2017
When I was reading GF's article in the July/August 2016 Royal Vision, I couldn't help but notice that he is a master of using what are called "weasel words." Weasel words and phrases allow someone to say something and yet allow themselves a "back door" or escape in case they need it. GF must not be too sure of his prophecies because he sprinkles these words liberally through his articles.
For example, in the article, "Hebrews is Mainly for Our Day!" he says, "Since God has given us new revelation to understand this at this time, it could be a signal that we might be about three years from going to the place of safety."
When did any of the prophets in the Scriptures ever use the phrase "it could be…", or use the word, "might" in their messages? He goes on to say, "This  could be America’s last presidential election--and I'd be rather stunned if it were not, considering what is happening." Once again, notice his careful insertion of the word, “Could." These are not the words of a prophet, but of a snake-oil salesman.
The article is also full of words and phrases that conjure up anxiety and fear in the mind of the reader. Obviously, this is GF’s latest "push" to try to milk even more money from the already strained and aging members of the PCG to continue supporting his sagging religious empire of lavish buildings, the overseas campus, and the promise of a personal jet. But when Trump's term is finished and no one’s been ousted from the United States, GF can fall back on his "weasel words" and say, “Well, I never said that for sure." --[name withheld]
Wife of John Amos Dies:
February 24, 2017
I heard last night that the wife of John Amos (Helen) passed away from a stroke. She was in her 70s. John Amos, as you know, was co-founder of the PCG in 1989. --C. W.
February 24, 2017
Gerald Flurry sent out a letter dated February 3, 2017. He believes it is an "open door from God" to buy a private plane. He believes it will improve the Work. He says there are some members who are capable in managing the aircraft.
He said HWA had this prized asset to "complete an urgent work" and the same reasons apply today.
Comment from ESN: In HWA's January 12, 1972 co-worker letter, he claimed the gospel had gone to all the world, whereas it had not before that time. (See this part in the Gerringer letter.) Here are HWA's exact words: "It is significant that by the end of 1971 we were able to say, for the first time, 'This gospel of the Kingdom has been preached, and published in all the world for a witness unto all nations' (as in Matthew 24:14). ... But, within the meaning of Bible terms, we have definitely now for the first time, proclaimed God's message into all nations." "This gospel now has been preached into every nation." (Mystery of the Ages, p. 158) His January, 1986 co-worker letter (no exact date given) stated: "It is now true that this Gospel has been proclaimed within every nation on earth by the Worldwide Church of God."
He believes God is behind this and is asking the members and co-workers to pledge to the aircraft fund as they did for the building of Armstrong Auditorium. He says, "If you can help financially, please complete the enclosed pledge statement." He also mentioned waiting on estate donations that have not been completed yet but everyone is to pray many more come through to bring down the costs more.
He talks about Herbert Armstrong not being able to do the Work he did without a plane. He quotes Revelation 10:11 about how we are to "go before kings." He plans to start up the "going to the nations" campaign again.
Comment from ESN: Since HWA said the gospel had already "gone to all the world" (See: Mystery of the Ages, p. 291: "These prophecies have now definitely been fulfilled. The true gospel has been restored and has now gone in power into every nation on the face of the earth."), why does GF think he has to now go before kings? Furthermore, when has God ever use a false prophet to do any kind of "work" for Him? HWA's private jet was for his ego, nothing more, just as this plane will be. Members will continue to be exploited.
He said they will have to cut back on some broadcasting networks and some cuts to the musical acts in order to sacrifice.
The secondhand plane they are eyeing is between $9 to 11 million and it would cost about $2 million to maintain it per year. --[name withheld]
Flurry's Narcissistic Pipe Dreams:
February 24, 2017
Gerald Flurry is filling up the members, composed of mostly ex-WCG members, with memories of the old "glory days"--big dreams of rebuilding HWA's WCG empire by all the buildings, "cultural performances" at HQs, the new UK campus, and soon to be (if he has his way) a private jet. He is trying manipulate members to cough up millions in dollars for a frivolous and wasteful purchase. The truth is that the PCG can't support all this. It's just a matter of time before this "house of cards" he's building on HWA's memories comes falling down. The members, which are becoming fewer every day, simply cannot go on financially supporting GF's ego trip, no matter how much he tries to squeeze "blood from a turnip." The members will eventually succumb to financial and spiritual exhaustion to try to satisfy GF's narcissistic pipe dreams. --Impacted by loved one in PCG
Comment: One other thought, the Internet reaches literally every nation in the world today (unlike in HWA's time), so why is it necessary to have a private plane to "go before kings."
HWA Said the Gospel Had Been Preached in All the World:
February 25, 2017
When we came in the WCG in early 1984. HWA said those words around late `85 (I think it was during the holy day season). Our friends knew a member that they had been college buddies with and he invited us "newbies" to join him and his wife at a restaurant. The member was ecstatic that HWA announced that "the gospel has been preached to all the world." He said he had never heard HWA say that in all his years as a member. So he was going to go home and "get ready to flee."
This member had been in the WCG during his 4 years at Ambassador College; he had been in years before us, but not the decades that distinguish true long time members. So this is why he didn't hear HWA say that "the gospel was preached" until 1985 (I keep thinking it was said just before the Feast of 85; then we got the MOA at the Feast, then HWA died a few months later.) I know he made it a point to let us know how very important this announcement was since we were new and rather clueless at the time. So this member had no idea that this had been said before by HWA in January 1972. He was going to go home and get ready to flee and advised we do the same. --K.
Your Site Helped Me:
February 27, 2017
Certain sites on the Internet are just "drive by blogging"; there is no substance to them. Your site, however, has a lot more scholarship [research] with it. Mike's critical deconstruction of HWA's works was critical on getting me weaned from the PCG. --Former member of PCG
Helen Amos and Gerald Flurry:
February 28, 2017
As you know, John Amos's former wife Helen recently died. Gerald Flurry relied on her for much of the background and validation of some of his "prophecies." She has kept notes on everything Flurry has preached about from back in 1989 when John Amos and Flurry started the PCG on a shoestring. She was the one who divinely "revealed" to Flurry that he was in fact "That Prophet." In the past Flurry always brought up Helen's notes in his sermons to validate some time or date that he though would fit in with whatever kind of "Truth" he was making up at moment. Remember the foolish obsession Flurry had with Robber's Cave and his son's Steven's baptismal date? Can you remember all this emphasis on Robber's Cave being the exact time and place where Steven read Malachi's Message for the first time and then he "saw the light" and was baptized in the PCG? Well, that all goes back to Helen Amos. Flurry even used that special date as a cut off period for the validity of baptisms outside of the PCG. I often wondered when I was in the PCG what is all of this obsession with dates and times and who was baptized when, etc. I would like to know what happened to her thousands of pages of notes now that she has died? How will Flurry get his information to validate his "revealed Truth"? --Former member of PCG [name withheld]
February 28, 2017
Gerald Flurry this Sabbath announced "newly revealed Truth" that the PCGs new "Scone of Stone" is now HWAs old "prayer rock" that they found in the back of an old house Armstrong once lived in. God, according to Gerald Flurry, has moved the Throne of David. Forget the old Lia Fail under the coronation throne. HWA is now, according to Flurry, a "type" of Jacob and his old prayer rock is where the heavenly angels ascended and descended giving HWA (and now by extension Gerald Flurry) divinely revealed truth from God. Flurry has even now supposedly said that HWA's old prayer rock is a throne on which he (Flurry) now sits and rules the "church" (PCG). Jesus Christ is now going to return and sit on that prayer rock as the new Throne of David. The PCG will be taking HWA's prayer rock with them when Trump exiles them to Petra, Jordon. Can you believe this stuff? Have I been handed bill of goods or has Flurry finally went too far? --Former PCG member
Comment: U.S. citizens cannot be legally deported, especially if they were born in the U.S.
PCG a Destructive Group:
March 3, 2017
I just stumbled on your site in the last day or so. [....] My [family member] became obsessed (and still is) with the "church" [first WCG, then PCG]. Many times they have told us that they are leaving soon to go "somewhere" as they are getting word that end times are upon us. (This has happened at least two times.) They have begged us to join the PCG before "the end." I told them that I would not ever join the PCG, but I wouldn't criticize it if they would promise me that if "the end" hadn't happened in such and such amount of time, they would leave the PCG. They said they would. (Of course, they didn't believe that we would see that time pass.) Now we are well passed that milestone and they are more devoted than ever.
I learned yesterday that they are going to be "leaving soon" [if accounted worthy].
I'm sure my [loved ones] have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the PCG. They don't have much money. They never travel unless the PCG mandates it. They buy their clothes at Goodwill, and give the "church" every available penny.
Where are do they think they are going? When? They are [elderly] and have never traveled. I don't see them jetting off to Petra.
I can't talk to them without getting upset, and not sure I can talk to them ever again in any meaningful way. I love them so much and hate this "church" more than I can express.
I am thankful that I have a patient and wonderful [mate], and for the folks at our church who are normal, happy, kind, and loving people.
Thank you for allowing me to reach out to you. --Impacted by PCG
Comment: This person has received a personal reply. Also read: Philadelphia Church of God and the Place of Safety.
Non-PCG Members Can Go to Place of Safety??
March 3, 2017
Years ago, [one of the PCG ministers] said something to my mate that was absolutely crazy. He said that non-PCG family that want to go with PCG members to the Place of Safety can flee with them. The reasoning was that only 10,000 people will be fleeing [GF uses Jude 14 and Deuteronomy 32:1-2] and since there aren’t enough PCG members to make up that number, family members that decide to come along will make up the difference.
I guess this was meant to be a "consolation" to members who were worried about what would happen to their non-PCG mate when they flee.
GF claims (according to his Jude book) that the 10,000 saints mentioned in Jude 14 and Deuteronomy 32:1-2 are 10,000 members that will be in the Place of Safety. But since I am not "converted," how can I be one of those saints?
So, according to this PCG minister, since I am a non-PCG member (and not Laodicean), I can go to the Place of Safety with my PCG mate and then when Christ returns, I will have to make my way back to a country (not the U.S. because they will have been destroyed) and go into the millennium as a human being and live out my life. But if I don't "wake up and repent" during that time, I will end up in the lake of fire. Some reassurance. Another thing--PCG says Trump will deport all PCG members out of the U.S., so how am I supposed to tag along when that happens?
The difference between PCG members and everyone else is that they don’t see how ridiculous all this is. I see it and you see it, but PCG members don't. There's so much about the PCG that makes no sense whatsoever. It defies common sense and logic. --Impacted by loved one in PCG
Comment: In the years prior to 1972, some of us may remember being told that there would be certain people coming along with us when we fled to Petra on The Night Much To Be Remembered. They based this on Exodus 12:28 which says a "mixed multitude" went out with Israel when they left Egypt that night. These weren't true Israelites and many of them caused much trouble later. I don't remember hearing about this later and nothing was ever said about what would happen to those people after they got to Petra. However, we must remember that HWA was a false prophet and no member ever went to Petra or ever will go to Petra.
Riding on Coattails to Place of Safety:
March 6, 2017
I remember I was told in the old PCG days that unconverted mates of PCG members would be allowed to go to the Place of Safety. If my memory serves me well, they told us that teenagers below a certain age could "ride on their parents coattails and "make it to the place of safety." But Flurry has changed his teachings so much that it would be hard to say what the standing is now. --Former PCG member
Comment: HWA told members that they could not "ride on the coattails" of anyone to get to the place of safety. So GF is completely contradicting HWA if he ever said that. However, the teaching in WCG was that any unbaptized child (or teenager) could go with their parents, until later; i. e., in the 80's, when older teenagers were told they better be obedient if they were going to go.
Membership Continues to Decline / Flurry Has Health Problems:
March 6, 2017
The Elizabethtown, KY PCG congregation hasn't existed for about 2 years. It now meets in Frankfort, KY. Some members have moved to Florida so they would see Cal Culpepper as little as possible. I think his home is somewhere in central Ohio. More people are out in Ohio--people whom I thought were staunch Flurryites.
Flurry has had some minor strokes and serious health problems. New photos of him make him look like death on a cracker. --Anonymous
Flurry's Continual Changes Cause Confusion:
March 6, 2017
I remember a few years back at the Feast, Flurry announced that the PCG was like Gideon's army and that perhaps God was purging out the sinful leaven and the few faithful would be 300. [Read 12-27-04 letter: PCG Believes it is "Gideon's Army"]. It made quite a few of us confused at the time because for quite a while he was saying that the PCG would be 7,000 strong, plus children would come to 10,000 (from Deuteronomy 33:2). Now with the letter above mentioning that the Kentucky congregation is down by a lot and that more people are being put out in Ohio sounds like Culpepper is doing just that--purging the people out so they can prove only the faithful few like Gideon's army will make it. Also reading about him now saying the stone of destiny is no longer the stone that will be taken to the place of safety must have quite a few scratching their heads. It was repeated over and over again that PCG would get the stone of destiny from the royal family and that was one of the reasons for buying Edstone, to be closer to the stone and the ark in Ireland. --Anonymous
Gerald Flurry Said to "Clean House!":
March 7, 2017
I personally know a former PCG member who told me about some of his experiences with being disfellowshipped by Cal Culpepper and Aaron Eagle. He recently told he that when he was dis-fellowshipped at the Feast by Cal Culpepper he was told point blank that Culpepper had received orders directly from Gerald Flurry to "clean house!" Culpepper went on to tell him that they want to get down to a hard core of dedicated elite members who are not lukewarm and sinful--"God's elite army." This was around 4 years ago. Flurry knows exactly the kind of carnage and suffering he is doling out to PCG members who run afoul of the ministry. Cal Culpepper does nothing without Gerald Flurry's direct consent.
This man's daughter, as part of her AC tuition payment, worked as Wayne Turgeon's office aide. Often as she did her duties she saw that Turgeon's desk was full of disfellowshipment/suspension papers as they were sent into HQ by the PCG ministers. These were read by Turgeon before they were sent to "That Prophet" to read. Apparently, when a minister puts a member out he has to fill out a pre-printed form that has very particular and explicit details of the person(s) sinful acts and what they did to get into trouble. His daughter said that she was told by Wayne Turgeon that she was not to discuss the details of what was in those files to anybody. I particularly find it creepy that Wayne Turgeon is sitting in his nice office, sipping coffee and reading form after form (for how many years now) containing in depth detail of troubled PCG members sins and faults. Those things should only be between those people and God and is not the business of some guy whose only job qualification is that he married Flurry's daughter. --Former PCG member
Announced That the Throne of David is Now Inside PCG:
March 12, 2017
I heard from someone who has inside info that it was announced that the throne of David is now inside the PCG. It moved when God got behind HWA, and now Flurry, so that is why HWA's prayer rock has replaced the Jacob's pillar, a.k.a. the stone of destiny. And since Flurry is descended from David as HWA was, too, per their claims of genealogy, they are the true descendants of the throne and not the current carnal, worldly family of Queen Elizabeth. --Anonymous
Felt Out of Place in PCG:
March 12, 2017
I was born into and raised in the PCG. I got out last year right after the Feast of Tabernacles. I spent the whole FOT (and months before) feeling out of place and like I just didn't belong there anymore. Even though I was surrounded by people of "like mind," I couldn't have felt much more out of place. --Child Survivor of PCG
Members Have an Excuse if GF's Revelations Don't Come to Pass:
March 13, 2017
The FOT is definitely in England this year instead of Ireland. Probably so the overseas members can have a chance to see Edstone, which is their headquarters over here. I've read a few posts regarding what the PCG is telling their members and I can say that far from being stupefied as we all on the outside are, the members are eating it up. My parent refuses to travel anywhere outside of England in fear of missing anything important. They also told me that PCG has been commissioned to give a warning to the Israelites [Read: British Israelism]. They are excited for all the new revelations happening but when I asked what will happen if all this doesn't occur (predicted by Flurry to be in the next four years), they said that "men are fallible." So they already have an excuse ready if all this doesn't come to fruition, and we all know it won't. I'm still waiting for my parent to come to their senses, but I think that's unlikely to happen. --N.
Comment: What they don't realize is that God does not give His truth to a false prophet and it only takes one false prophecy to make a false prophet. (Deuteronomy 18:22; I John 4:1) Read letter: If One Writes as a Prophet He Cannot Back Off From That.
March 18, 2017
I have been wanting to write you; it's been a long time. I have some very exciting news to share with you. Our entire family that was in PCG is out! When I heard the news, I was in shock as you can imagine. I am so happy. ... The family is slowly healing from all the damage the PCG has done. And if you think your site has not helped people, you are wrong. Yes, there is a healing happening, and I praise God, and thank Him. Just wanted to share this with you, because we have talked so often. Continue doing your work, because you are helping people. --[name withheld]
March 19, 2017
Thank you so very, very much for the great news that someone's family has come out of PCG! --Former PCG member
My Disfellowshipment Was a Great Blessing in Disguise:
March 20, 2017
I was disfellowshipped from PCG 4 years ago; when I told my wife to leave also, she told me, "Where will I go, what other church shall I go to?" In her mind she had to find another church to go to before she left PCG, or she wouldn't leave. This is what high demand churches do. They instill in the member's mind that without their "church"--in this case PCG--the member is doomed, and will not have God’s favor. My wife was willing to end a 23 year marriage, with two children, so she could remain in PCG.
At the time I was disfellowshipped, I thought I was lost forever, but I did not know it was a great blessing in disguise, even though my marriage ended (she is still in PCG). I have never regretted how God pulled my out of that cult, and opened my eyes up to the truth of the scriptures, that we are saved by Christ alone, by grace, through faith. I guess it is true what people say, you only get rid of poison in your system, when you stop receiving the needles. At first it will be hard to let go, but as time goes on, the truth will come into focus, and you will see all the lies you were led to believe. To those who are thinking about leaving, don’t be afraid, it is God who is guiding you. --S. A., former PCG member
Comment: Read: The Law of Moses and the Grace of God.
You Are Helping People:
March 20, 2017
I still check your site every day. Keep up the good work. You are helping people with this site, a beacon of hope. A voice for the voiceless. --Former PCG member
PCG Counseling Must Be Done by Phone Now:
March 20, 2017
Not sure if you heard this or not, but apparently the ministers do not do any more email counseling. Any counseling, questions, etc., must be done by phone. Not sure why the change but that is how it is now. --Anonymous
PCG Feast Sites for 2017:
April 4, 2017
Here are the 2017 Feast sites taken from their planner:
Palm Harbor, FL
Lake Arrowhead, CA
Lake George, NY
Huntsville, Ontario, Canada
Invermere, British Columbia, Canada
Henley-in-arden, United Kingdom
St. Lucia, Caribbean
Tweed Heads, Australia
Limpopo, South Africa
Flurry Has Purchased His Plane:
April 12, 2017
PCG got the plane [a Gulfstream G450 jet plane]. The deal is complete. Guess they got enough pledges. --Anonymous
Ex-Members That Refuse to Hear the Gospel of Grace:
April 15, 2017
It is really amazing to me how so many of the ex members of the PCG and other splinter churches once they are disfellowshipped, or come under the "no contact rule," or leave of their own accord, immediately begin to search the Internet and ask other ex members for the name of a similar church that follows the teachings of Armstrong, Flurry or Pack for them to start attending. Once they start attending this new "church" they soon find that they are subjected to the self-same spiritual abuse, excessive tithing, man made laws and rules, as they suffered in the PCG.
Should they be unable to find a church they continue to try and keep the Sabbath and all the Holy days on their own. Even to the extent of keeping the Passover, and Unleavened Bread, searching their houses for every bread crumb that may have escaped their vacuum cleaner. They fail to really study and search the Word of God for the truth that the one and only Passover has come and gone, that Christ has atoned for their sins on the cross, they are forgiven and that they do not need to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread.
They refuse to hear the Gospel of Grace and to attend any church that meets on a Sunday. They continue to believe that God the Father will punish them with sickness, disease or some other catastrophe if they do not observe all the Holy Days and keep the Saturday Sabbath.
Once they start searching the Bible for the real truth they will find that they have been set free from the Old Covenant and that Gentiles are now permitted to join the Body of Christ.
--Ex PCG member with family in PCG
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