Exit and Support Network

Letters From Those Impacted by
Philadelphia Church of God

January 1, 2019 to Present


I Find Your Website Super Interesting and Helpful:

January 13, 2019

I'm a child born into the PCG, and my mother recently told me about your website. I find it to be super interesting, and helpful. It'd be super awesome if you could get back to me soon. Thanks. --Child survivor of PCG

PCG Northeast Fruit Sales and New Radio Show:

January 26, 2019

PCG Northeast has been boasting that they made $100,000 this year from their fruit sales in comparison to $84,000 last year and they sent a letter attached with a check to Flurry.

Also they were promoting Grant Turgeon's new radio show Behind the Work that first aired on November 29, 2018 on KPCG. -- Anonymous

Comment: Grant Turgeon is the son of Wayne Turgeon.

"That Prophet" (Gerald Flurry) Really Needed That Corporate Jet:

February 4, 2019

An article in February's Philadelphia Trumpet is about the Personal Appearance Campaigns that Gerald Flurry and his son [Stephen] have been doing recently. On page 6, we're told that the PCG's corporate jet, bought in 2017, is "largely to enable [Gerald Flurry] to meet more supporters of the Trumpet and to restart the Personal Appearance Campaigns." More are to take place this year.

But why does Flurry have to buy a corporate jet simply to travel around North American cities? Jesus only had to walk around what is now Israel, but He must have instructed "God's end-time Elijah" (and his successors) to arrive looking like the CEOs of multinational companies or the rulers of great nations. Some of the contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination will crisscross the country in rented coaches, while "That Prophet" flies past them in his "corporate jet." --D. K.

PCG Blames Their Website Troubles on Flurry's Future Visit to Jerusalem:

February 18, 2019

So apparently PCOG believes all the problems with their websites being down and recent power outage is due to G. Flurry's future visit to Jerusalem February 21 as it must be a very important one. --Anonymous

GF Visiting Jerusalem is Waste of More Members' Money:

February 19, 2019

I doubt that GF visiting Jerusalem is very important. It's just been blown out of proportion and is a waste of more members' money for airplane fuel. --C.

Members That are Confused About Who Has the Truth:

March 31, 2019

Hi, I have been looking at the new letters that have been posted on your site. In many cases, individuals are stating how confused they are about where is the true church, what is the truth, who has it, etc., and bemoaning the fact that every time they start looking at a group they think looks promising, they become disheartened to find out it again proves out to be only an exploitative organization seeking their membership to grow their donor base and increase the financial well-being of church administrators.

They seem to believe that God's Church can only be and in fact is always a physical organization meeting in a rented hall somewhere with a man standing up front preaching to people and guiding them into the truth. The reality is quite different. God's church is first and foremost a spiritual organization made up of only those individuals whose attitude is of wanting to obey God in all things to the best of their abilities. God looks on the heart or the attitude we would say today. The Church is sometimes visible and organized but for most of its existence is has been small and invisible to the world with its members scattered all over the world and most of the time not knowing each other.

The ministry when there is a true one and that has not been often in the history of the church, is not the source of truth. Your Bible is that source and it is the only sure one; men no matter how honest, sincere and well–intentioned they may be are vulnerable to corruption. The desire to be famous, recognized, flattered by others, to be important and wield power over others are strong corruptive influences which most men are unable to resist for long periods of time whether they be politicians or religious leaders. But for a few rare cases, they become corrupted and begin to want to grow their little empires into bigger ones and all at the expense of those who follow them. Many have come to despise Herbert Armstrong, the now long dead leader of the Worldwide Church of God claiming they were misled into falsity and financially exploited yet, they are still looking around to see what is the organization that has succeeded the Worldwide Church of God and are despairing at not finding it.

In the days of Herbert Armstrong, as in the days of the apostles, the criterion of truth has remained the same: "Does the Bible support what is being taught by the ministry and if it doesn't, don't follow along." Paul told the congregations he raised up to only follow him as he followed Christ and should he not follow Christ, they were not to follow him even though he was an apostle. Any and all men no matter how initially faithful and honest can and do become corrupted by fame and power. Just to make sure his congregations understood what he meant Paul told them the following: "Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand." (2 Corinthians 1:24)

Paul, an apostle, clearly told the congregations that he raised up that he does not have the authority to impose on those to whom he preached what it is that they are to believe. What one believes is one's faith and Paul says he has no authority to impose or to have dominion over what Church members believe. Why? Because Church members stand by faith; i. e., what they believe is what they have chosen to believe and no man can force them to believe something they have not chosen to believe. Paul, the other apostles and the ministers ordained to different offices in the different congregations of the Church can be helpers of the members' faith by pointing them to the Scriptures that support what they are teaching them but ultimately, the individual member is the only one that can make the decision to believe it or not, they stand by faith; i. e., what they choose to believe. What one chooses to believe is one's faith whether it be with respect to religious or secular matters as for example: I have faith in tires produced by company XYZ; I believe that they are good and durable.

The criterion has always been: "Don't believe me (H. W. Armstrong or any other man) but believe your Bible." The responsibility is squarely on the individual to check everything out that is taught them with their Bible; not to just believe any man simply because he has a reputation for being honest, sincere, etc. You must go into your Bible and prove it to your satisfaction and if you are not able to do so then you should not follow along. The ultimate responsibility for not being misled is yours alone and so says your Bible.

You do not need to be part of an organization with the words "Church of God" somewhere in its official title to be part of God's Church. God's Church is a spiritual organization made up of only those individuals whose attitude is to try to obey God to the best of their abilities in all things and who are engaging in regular Bible study to grow their knowledge and understanding of God's truth and then seek to apply it in their lives as best they can. --R. C.

Comment: Read: Where is the True Church?

Gerald Flurry Doing Unusual Stuff Lately:

April 1, 2019

Gerald Flurry has been doing some unusual stuff lately, from sporting a beard (he looks old enough already without the beard; he's starting to show his age, and he's not aging well) to calling for a fast on a Sabbath--which hypes the urgency of it--because of money being "scarce" (no doubt money is "scarce" because of his "high maintenance" personal jet) and wanting to build another "college" in Jerusalem. He's really milking the members for everything he can get, using whatever means he can. I can't imagine too many people wanting to stay in the PCG. --S. N.

Comment: HWA didn't age well either but you will still find sites and booklets staging a "younger" Armstrong, trying to make him good looking. The truth is that many have told how HWA was very evil. Yet certain offshoots continue to deify him, preaching his doctrines of devils which end up destroying families. See: Questioning Herbert W. Armstrong.

Book of Remembrance Spawned from GRF Misinterpretation of Bible Prophecy:

April 3, 2019

Someone sent me this today ("The Separation of the Righteous from the Wicked in God's Church is About to Happen Shortly!"). I have known about this organization (the Ark of God Foundation) for awhile. I know that it is lengthy. It's absolute prophetic nonsense that has spawned off GRF misinterpretations of Bible Prophecy. Passover is approaching, and this what some ex-PCG members are excited about.

It is my understanding that this organization is based out of the Philippines. They are ex-PCG members who have 2 leaders that believe they are the two witnesses. Their primary work is to warn the PCG. They somehow believe that they (PCG) are the only true church (even though there are probably about 700 splinters from WCG). --PCG exiter

NOTE from ESN: This splinter group's site is Armstrong Remembrancers and Keepers of God Foundation but neither the book nor the above referenced article can be found on it. PCG members were told to "burn the book." Following are quotes from the article and are only posted to show the foolishness of this fear-based prophecy. (For those who are afraid of losing their salvation, read: "Can we ever lose our salvation?" and Where is the True Church?)

"God used His Two Witnesses as mere scribes to put in writing His message for His people in that book. [Book of Remembrance] ... Thus, if you have any disagreement with its contents, you will find yourself reasoning and arguing with God.
"It is a book which exposes the last end betrayal happening within God's Church which involves the ministers themselves who are supposed to lead God's people in the way of holiness and righteousness. This is God's way of getting His people's attention and to make them aware of what is happening in His own Church.
"Stephen Flurry [after he went through a copy of Book of Remembrance] looked like a man who has been spending days on binge drinking booze. He looks like he has been depressed for days or that he has not yet fully recover from a hangover. [refer to the video of his Trumpet Daily program published on Oct 10, 2013]
"A copy of the book finally found its way into Gerald Flurry hotel room during his brief visit to the Philippines on Apr 3, 2018. God helped the Two Witnesses to stealthily deliver a copy of the book to his room even if they had to wait the whole night for the right moment.
"Now notice the appearance of Gerald Flurry as he appears unusually with a beard and mustache in the Key of David program sometime after his return to the US from his trip to the Philippines. He also looked bothered as his facial expression reveals it. It's been quite some time now since Apr 3, 2018, and Gerald Flurry has retained his not so good-looking beard and mustache. His appearance obviously indicates the effect of the message of the Book of Remembrance on him which just validates all the many prophecies about his becoming enlightened about all the wrong things that have been happening in the Church supposedly under his watch.
"Notice that this matter of discerning between the righteous and the wicked in God's Church with the use of the Book of Remembrance is the principle being pointed out by Mal 3:18...In Mal 3:6, God is actually speaking to the Jacobite Laodiceans in the Philadelphia Church God.
"They are the members of the Philadelphia Church of God. ... The PCG is not really doing God's work of rebuilding His spiritual Temple today. ... In effect, the PCG has been misusing and misappropriating God's money in doing their own work of vanity. The concert series in AC auditorium, the Edstone work, the jet plane project, the ever-continuing building program, the Irish Dancing project are just examples of PCG activities that are not really helping raise the ruins of the Tabernacle of David which is fallen.
"God is now calling the PCG to repentance and this is a call to return to God by supporting the real Work that God is doing today. It is the work of calling God's faithful saints from the PCG and from the various COG who comprise the saints from our time which will be joined together with the other groups of saints from the previous eras which will make up the totality of God's Firstfruits or the 144,000 saints of Rev 7 and 14.
"The outpouring of blessings from heaven is an allusion to the outpouring of abundant new revelations from God which is being experienced right now by the little group known as the Ark of God Foundation. God has been pouring upon this group new revelations every Sabbath without end since the group started meeting together with God's Two Witnesses or prophets (Rev 11:10). The group now is in possession of what they call a thousand years worth of knowledge.
"And with the use of the measuring tool in his hands (Book of Remembrance), GRF will be able to separate those who will continue supporting his leadership from those who would rather support and follow the man of sin in the person of his very own son, Stephen Flurry.
"That 'return' will be happening soon and it will be seen by everyone. This prophesied event will find its complete fulfillment when Gerald Flurry finally splits up with the wicked in PCG, taking with him the faithful 10% who are the only ones who will be saved from the calamities of the 7 last plagues that will be poured upon the wicked ones who will remain with Stephen Flurry and his fellow Edomite ministers. The 90% who will remain with Stephen Flurry is the Edomite Laodicean group who will choose to support their work of vanity rather than the Work of God which will eventually come to nothing and cost them their eternal salvation.
"Have you read the Book of Remembrance or have you burned your own copy. Gerald Flurry will know who among you will be saved using this book."

Book of Remembrance a Bunch of Malarkey:

April 3, 2019

I read the last letter. Boy, what a bunch of malarkey. --Anonymous

It's the Same Thing That Bob Ardis Did:

April 4, 2019

This [Book of Remembrance] is basically the same thing that Bob Ardis [Robert Ardis] (now deceased) [founder of Church of God's Faithful] did when he left PCG. His whole work was about GRF and PCG. This is a common error with many people who have left PCG. They feel that somehow GRF was right with Malachi's Message, and then got off track, and is now Laodicean. Whatever group arises from them suddenly becomes Philadelphian, and has to warn those of PCG. --PCG Exiter

Amazed by Those Who Continue to Believe What False Ministers Have Taught Them:

April 10, 2019

At this time of the year I am always amazed at those people who left, or were disfellowshipped from the WCG/PCG/COG's, and annually perform all the rituals of cleaning out the house, searching for the last crumb of leaven as instructed by HWA and GF.

Once they leave they continue to believe all they were taught by these false ministers, crucifying Christ again every year and are unaware that Christ was a once off final sacrifice for the forgiveness of all their sins. The giving of the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ has also come and Christians are led by the Holy Spirit.

How they can believe anything that GF teaches at this time of their lives is astonishing. --Ex WCG and PCG

Comment: See: Articles and Writings on the Holy Days

HWA Said the Bible is All That You Needed:

April 22, 2019

HWA said the Bible is all that you needed, just like all the other leaders (GF, etc.) that try to imitate him; yet, they still send their literature and expect members of their group to open it and read it as soon as possible. --G. W.

Gerald Flurry Having Pain in One of His Legs:

April 28, 2019

Gerald Flurry has been experiencing pain in one of his legs since his trip to Portland, OR. He has been doing those Personal Appearance Campaigns again. Makes me wonder if he has congestive heart failure? He sits when he speaks. He wasn't able to speak for the Holy Days in Edmond. I heard that he had varicose veins and they can be painful, but it's doubtful they will give anyone the complete story. Wonder if he's going to the doctor?

Speaking of his campaigns, he has made a few stops flying around in his personal jet. They have had lots of problems with the jet. It's costing them a bunch of money to keep it going. --Former member of PCG

Assyria is Germany?

April 30, 2019

Below is a quote from a website I found when searching for the word "Assyria":

"Assyrian Christians — often simply referred to as Assyrians — are an ethnic minority group whose origins lie in the Assyrian Empire, a major power in the ancient Middle East. Most of the world's 2-4 million Assyrians live around their traditional homeland, which comprises parts of northern Iraq, Syria, Turkey and Iran."

A man and his single daughter were of this ethnic minority group called Assyrians and became members of the PCG in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia quite some years ago. When other members of the congregation asked them what nationality they were, they would correctly reply "Assyrian." The late minister Max Rumler  would interject with "You can't be Assyrian. Assyria is Germany!"

--Impacted by PCG

Comment: This has been added to Amazing Statements Made by Philadelphia Church of God Ministers - Statement #30. Also read ESN article: The Origins of Assyria and Germany.

Any PCG Congregations or Splinter Groups That Meet in or Near North Port, Florida?

May 1, 2019

Hi, I have frequented you site for years and years. My adult child had become a member of PCG since before 2005. Not long after, we got their official NO CONTACT letter to us. I have visited your site to try to keep up on what's happening in PCG as best I could. Without your site we would have learned next to nothing.

Recently I wondered if my child's family, a husband and children whom I have never seen, were still living in the same home. So I searched the County residential land and parcel records and found they they had sold their home in our state in 2015. I kept searching and did find them living in North Port, Florida in Sarasota County and searched the Sarasota Florida County residential Parcel records on the .gov site there and sure enough, they had purchased a property in 2015 in North Port, Florida, Sarasota County. North Port is just south of the coastal city of Sarasota FL.

So I also wondered if they were attending a PCG congregation in or near North Port, FL in Sarasota County, Florida. I wondered if they quit the PCG and joined a splinter group of PCG in or near of North Port, FL.

My question to you is, with all your accumulated info and numerous contacts, do you know of any PCG congregation (list) or of splinter groups of PCG that meet in or near North Port, Florida? Do you or anyone you know have a list or could acquire a current list of PCG congregations? If there are congregations in these areas then most likely they are still attending PCG. If not, they may have quit the PCG, which would be more than great news for us!

Thank you for any information you can share with me.

Sincerely, --Impacted by PCG [name removed]

Reply: There has been mention of a Florida West and Georgia South congregations. There could be one in Tallahassee as they've had yard sale fundraisers there. There was a PCG Feast site in Palm Harbor, FL in 2018. Palm Harbor and North Port are about 1 hr. and 39 min apart. I would think that If they quit PCG they would contact you. I'm sorry I can't help you more. It is really tragic what PCG is doing to families.

PCG Has Lost Many Members in Florida:

May 2, 2019

[Regarding the above letter.] The only PCG congregation that I knew of in that area met around Tampa, FL, about 80 miles away. They have lost so many members in FL. Perhaps they have a small congregation in FT. Meyers. That is only around 40 miles or so from North Port.

PCG tends to meet in fairly large cities, and members are driving further and further. They have combined several congregations (as the membership shrinks), and try to have a minister with the larger groups every week. My understanding is that sermons are sent to the leading person in an area to an electronic device. Once the message is played, it disintegrates. --Former member of PCG [name removed]

PCG Has to Be Getting a Lot of Money From Somewhere:

May 2, 2019

The last letter is true. I'm awestruck at how an ever-shrinking organization can support the lavish lifestyle of its crazy upper leader. They have to be getting their money (and a lot of money) from somewhere.--Anonymous

One Way For Flurry To Stay Afloat:

May 2, 2019

I am guessing that Flurry is taking out equity loans against the property that PCG owns. This is one way to stay afloat until he dies and leaves a mess for his heirs to clean-up. I was told a few years ago that GRF has a business degree. PCG sat on some high dollar real estate prior to their headquarters moving to its current location. I'm sure they got top dollar for the properties at their previous HQ. --Former member of PCG

Gerald Flurry Not Doing Very Well:

May 13, 2019

I have heard that Stephen Flurry has gone back to Edmond. It appears as though Gerald Flurry isn't doing very well. Wayne Turgeon has been shipped off to the U.K. --Former PCG member

More on Gerald Flurry's Health:

May 15, 2019

I saw the recent post about Gerald Flurry's health. The news is that GF has an ulcer on his leg which requires him to keep his leg elevated whenever possible. He also sits behind a desk at his speaking engagements.

In other news, Greg Nice's youngest son (Dustin) recently passed away from cancer. Sadly, his mother had to sit by his side in North Carolina while he was in hospice care until his passing. To my knowledge, he didn’t seek any medical treatment. --[name withheld]

Dustin Nice Died:

May 21, 2019

Dustin Nice age 26 died in Greenville/Taylors, South Carolina on April 20th. He is the youngest child of Greg and Desi Nice. He leaves his wife Whitney, in-laws, brothers, and extended family. Dustin passed from metastatic colon cancer that had moved to the abdominal lining. Limited treatment was available. --Gail Nice Inglima

Gerald Flurry Recorded Live Video:

June 3, 2019

There was a live video played this past Saturday that G. Flurry had recorded recently at HQs. He may be down, but he’s not out of the game yet. --Anonymous

Flurry Probably Receiving Top Notch Care:

June 6, 2019

I would not be surprised at all if Flurry is receiving top-notch care to keep himself alive while his faithful followers die like flies, afraid to seek medical care for fear of not sending that money to him and his cause. Of course, they wouldn't let anybody know he is getting care.

I really wish this whole thing would just collapse so everyone involved will be released from the tyranny of Flurry and his minions. I pray for that day. God bless you for your site and everyone that it has helped including me. --S. J.

Wondered if Anyone Else Had Experienced the Back Stabbing That I Saw in PCG:

June 9, 2019

Hello. I just found your site today and I want to thank you for making it a public site. I was a member of the PCG for more than a decade and I can totally relate to much of what was written and even cried a little. I was always wondering if any one else had experienced some of the back stabbing B.S. that I saw taking place in the PCG. The article by Kieren Underwood about HWAC college [Life at Herbert W. Armstrong College] was the best. He gets it. He saw the best and the worst there, I guarantee. I have a son who went to HWAC and got a Job at the PCG HQ and turned into the most arrogant little ass on planet earth. Thanks a lot PCG Ministers.....Great job.

I will keep reading and would love to add an experience or two on your timeline. Thanks again. --[name withheld]

Dan Cohran Has His Own PCG Splinter Group:

June 11, 2019

I wanted to write to you regarding this man (Dan Cohran, Hold Fast 2 All Things). Not sure if you know much about him.

He is a deacon who conducts himself as a "super" deacon and is incredibly arrogant. He performs all kinds of ministerial functions.

He gives a lot of the sermons, collects monies, has his own feast site, counsels and baptizes people, and even disfellowships them if he believes they have gone astray. I am guessing that he anoints them too. And who knows what else?

He claims to follow all HWA taught. Yes, here is another one. He is a former PCG member, and has been involved with at least one other PCG splinter [Church of God's Faithful, founded by Robert G. Ardis]. He has had his own organization for several years. Most of his members are ex-PCG. I've listened to, and read some things on his website. I don't know how he can "judge" the ministry as all having gone astray. He's not even a minister. And has no authority from God to do so. He is usurping authority! He is not even following HWA's version of church government from the top down. He doesn't know each minister personally. He is measuring them using HWA's standards, and teachings, and not Jesus Christ's.

This is a major error that many "ministers" and members have done. I know because I have done it myself. I sure hope that many who are with this false leader wake-up! --Former member of PCG and RCG

Extreme Measure in PCG:

June 11, 2019

You won’t believe this!

A person in PCG has a daughter who left with a baby. The extreme condition this person goes to in order to see their grand baby. The daughter has to bring the baby to a location and leave. This grand parent then comes and sees the baby for a while. Then when the grand parent leaves, the daughter can come and pick up her baby. --[name withheld]

How I Got in Trouble for Using the Word "Shenanigans":

June 12, 2019

Here is a ridiculous story about how I got in trouble with the PCG Ministry for using the word "Shenanigans." No joke.

After Armstrong Auditorium was opened, the PCG Ministry got a brilliant idea to have a public showing of the Jeremiah play and just fling open the doors of Armstrong Auditorium to the general public. No tickets, no limits, just come on in.

When I heard this announcement at services, I emailed Wayne Turgeon and told him that since I had 30 plus years in construction that there are building occupancy limits and those cannot be exceeded. He ignored me as usual. I was basically told to be quiet.

So I went down to Edmond just to see what would happen. It was pretty funny as they were overwhelmed with people and were letting way too many people in the building. People were standing in the aisles and the balcony was loaded with way too many people. I just shook my head and left and drove home without even staying for the show.

I sent an email back to Wayne Turgeon saying basically that was some stupid shenanigans you guys pulled. I told you there would be too many people in there. If the Edmond Fire Marshall would have seen that, he would have locked the doors because you were way over your building capacity limit.

So the next day my Minister Winston Davis called me and read me the Webster's Dictionary definition of the word "Shenanigans".....Really??? I told him I don't sleep with a Webster's Dictionary under my pillow and where I come from "Shenanigans" means you did something really stupid. But he wanted to try to scare me. It didn't work.

I found a bar called Shenanigans and bought 2 of their T-Shirts and sent them to Winston Davis and his wife as Feast gifts. He never even told me thank you. --[name withheld]

PCG Ministers and Their Group Think:

June 12, 2019

Here is a story for you about the Philadelphia Trumpet website and a story about how supposedly "greedy" teachers are in Chicago.

One of Roger Brandon's children at HWAC [Herbert W. Armstrong College] wrote a story on the Trumpet website about teachers in Chicago and was slandering the teachers and the teacher unions and making them out as a bunch of greedy bums who don't care about the kids at all, just how much money they can make.

I had a father who was a teacher and many other family members who are still teachers. Most teachers are overworked and under paid and under appreciated for sure. And most teachers are union members.

I had been a union pipe fitter since 1985 until I retired (33 years union). So I wrote a comment to this inexperienced 18 year old kid who wrote the story. I asked him if he had ever been in a school classroom in Chicago as a student? Had he ever been a teacher's aide in Chicago? Had he ever been in a class in Chicago as a member of the Press to observe the classes? Had he ever been a member of a teacher's union or any other union? Then I stated that if the answer to any or all of these questions is no then you should modify this story or just retract it because you simply do not know what the heck you are talking about.

This started a massive firestorm amongst some of the ministers and me and my response was the same as I told this Brandon kid about his story. Have you ministers ever been union members at any time ...anywhere? If your answers is no then you simply do not know what you are talking about.

They would babble the typical stereotype responses about how lazy union members are and how corrupt unions are. Those statements are not true for the most part. I would ask the ministers if a marriage was a union? Well, yes …. If United States is a union of states? Well...yes.... If Israel was a union of 12 tribes?...Well...yes...

From that experience I saw how the ministers tried to break your will and have no opinion except for whatever their group think is. It never worked on me. I am entitled to my opinion. So is everyone else.

I didn't get kicked out over that but it sure got my fur rubbed the wrong way. --[name withheld]

Stolen Letter Was the Last Straw for Me and the PCG:

June 12, 2019

This is a story about another PCG incident which was pretty much the last straw for me and the PCG. Mark Nash had gotten expelled for whatever reason in 2016. They never tell you anything because they want to treat you like a mushroom. Naturally we were never to contact anyone who got expelled.

I wrote an anonymous letter to Mark Nash anyway to encourage him because he baptized me and we always got along great. His wife Carol stole the letter I wrote to him, being the busybody she always was, and took it to Brian Davis. Brian Davis called me because of the postmark denoting the town it came from. I just told him "Yes, I wrote the letter to encourage the man."

I did get kicked out for that but as time went on I know that I never put on any front or phony air as to who I am. I never said I was perfect or great. Never have, never will. You can't say the same for many many PCG members and Ministers. Backstabbing hypocrisy and spies abound there.

I always figure God Almighty will sort these things out and vengeance is God's, not mine. --[name withheld]

Flurry Determined to Make it to His FL Campaign Despite Jet Problems:

June 13, 2019

Recently, Flurry's plane on its way to a "campaign" in Tampa, FL, had a malfunction in the motor operating the wing flaps so returned to Oklahoma City airport. They departed once again, but again had to return to Oklahoma City airport! Flurry was determined to get to Tampa to give his lecture no matter what.

Well, "luckily" for Flurry, there just happened to be a small charter plane available at another airport close by, which was a much smaller jet. Flurry managed to give his lecture after it was postponed for half an hour.

PCG claimed that miraculously the PCG pilots found the small charter plane which just happened to be available! If God was truly with the PCG, then they wouldn't have had the problems with the motor in their plane in the first place!

I wish that the people who attend these lectures would first check out what the PCG is really all about, destroying families, no medicines, etc. -- Impacted by PCG

Comment: Gerald Flurry spoke on the book of Hebrews in two 75-min lectures for 187 Trumpet subscribers the first day and 120 subscribers the second night. However, in the first lecture, (which was accompanied by heavy rain and flooding) only 4 non members attended and in the second lecture, there were 10 non-members attending. (The rest must have been PCG members.) Read: Flurry Claims New Revelation About Book of Hebrews (February 21, 2017 letter to ESN). 

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