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My Correspondence With PCG Ministers
and Their Spin Replies

Everything I wrote is completely true. This is a complete compilation of my attempts to get answers from PCG ministers. You will notice that they want me to call and not discuss things on email.

They have abused me and many many others. I do not plan on writing them. This shows some of their tricks. Are they just plain evil for my being sucked in like I was?

Note from ESN: Below is this person's email to Joseph Short, Brian Davis and Mark Nash and then following will be their replies. Paragraphs inserted by ESN. Names have been changed.


2nd attempt

j.
12/02/14
To: letters@theTrumpet.com

Good morning. Below you will see the email I sent you on Nov 27. Will you please reply with an answer? Or at least let me know that you delivered the message to Joe Short, or maybe he doesn't work for your corporation anymore, I do not know. I hope to hear back from you either way. Thanks, J.

Joe Short

j.
11/27/14
To: letters@theTrumpet.com
From: j.
Sent: Thu 11/27/14 1:30 AM
To: letters@theTrumpet.com

Hello, Will you please give Joe Short my email address and have him contact me, I have several things that I need to talk to him about, It is very important. Thank You , J.

Phone call

Joseph Short (jshort@pcog.org)
12/03/14

To: j.
jshort@pcog.org

Hi J., Please give me your number and let me know when would be a good time to call.

Thanks,

Joseph Short
Minister
Philadelphia Church of God | 14400-A S Bryant | Edmond, OK 73034

RE: Phone call

j.
12/03/14
To: Joseph Short

Hello Joe, Thanks for getting back to me. There are several things that I would like answers to .First of all, why did I get suspended? I was never given a reason, just told to not attend svcs [services] and not to talk to anyone, of which I complied with for a very long time. Maybe it was not your decision, if that is the case, I would like to write to the person who made the decision. I do not know if you remember me asking you about the scripture "the borrower is servant to the lender" many months before this thing with Tom blew up. You thought about it for a week and then told me that yes, the borrower is servant to the lender. But then , during a phone call with You and Mr. [Mark] Nash (I think), I mentioned that verse to you and it fell on deaf ears--just as if it was never printed in the bible. Also, you told me not to employ the biblical steps laid out in Matt.18 when a subsequent issue came up with Tom. You said it would lead to an altercation. I complied. I have had a long time to think about these things and have studied the bible a lot. In hind sight, I realize that the Matt. 18 decision you made was not biblical. God put it there to be used.

The whole reason I even brought the problem with Tom to the ministry, after I first used the Matt. 18 remedy, was to have you folks iron it out using the bible. That was not the case.

A few other things are: you continually put words in my mouth saying that I forgave Tom's $200,000.00 debt and that Tom had paid for the pressure washer in full. Neither of those are accurate. When Tom, you, Brian Davis and I met to discuss the pressure washer issue, neither Tom or I had the paperwork with us showing his payments and what he owed, yet in phone calls after that, you kept telling me that Tom was paid in full and accused me of stealing the pressure washer.

Shortly after I was suspended, I got a letter from the IRS. It seemed a very strange coincidence that after 18 years of silence from them, I suddenly get a letter from them. Did you or do you know of anyone else that contacted them and notified them of my years of not filing? On that note, when you and Mr.[Mark] Nash met with me and he told me of his experience with them, it was either he or both of you that said it was against the law to not file. Not true. They actually sent me a refund!

In an email several months ago, he informed me that some one in the ministry encouraged him to call the cops on me and issue an arrest warrant regarding items from his post office box that I stored at my house. Is that true?

Well, that is a good start. I sincerely hope that you will get back to me and answer each issue that I brought up. I want to clear this up, once and for all. As for a phone call to discuss these things, I would prefer to write. It allows me to gather my thoughts and allows both of us to go through each point thoroughly and take time to think it all through. Thank you, J.

From: jshort@pcog.org
To: j.

Joseph Short (jshort@pcog.org)
12/03/14
To: j.
Cc: Brian Davis, Mark Nash

Hello J.,

Upon reading your letter below, I was deeply saddened by your comments and false accusations. All the matters that you mentioned have been thoroughly discussed and what have you written below is simply not true.

I wish you no ill will and never have. I love you and will continue to pray for your repentance.

Sincerely,

Joseph Short
Minister

RE: Phone call

j.
12/04/14
To: Joseph Short

Hi Joe, Thanks for the reply , although it was not really a reply, You did not address even one of my questions, How can you say that, " All the matters that you mentioned have been thoroughly discussed and what have you written below is simply not true." Neither you nor anyone else in your organization have ever told me WHY I was suspended, NEVER !. If you still believe it is true that all things have been thoroughly discussed with me, please do me a favor, start with this one point and tell me again, why was I suspended? I do not think that is asking too much of you , after all, you are a minister and the bible defines minister as someone that waits upon, a servant, run errands, attendant, friend. You ended your very short reply with "I love you and will continue to pray for your repentance." If I do not know what I have done wrong, how can I repent? So Joe, please start by answering this one question. Sincerely , J.

RE: Phone call

j.
10:29 AM
To: Joseph Short

Hi Joe , it has been about a week since I sent you a note asking that you answer one simple question . Are you ignoring me? J.

RE: Phone call

Joseph Short
12/11/14
To: j.
Cc: Brian Davis, Mark Nash jshort@pcog.org

J., In my first reply to you, I asked for your phone number because I was hoping you had a spirit of repentance and I wanted to help in any way I could. It's obvious your attitude is not one that warrants further discussion. As I stated in the previous email, "All the matters that you mentioned have been thoroughly discussed and what you have written below is simply not true." When I say "All the matters" that includes the fact that you were clearly told why you were suspended by Mr. Nash. I know. I was there and heard everything he said.

Joseph Short
Minister
Philadelphia Church of God | 14400-A S Bryant | Edmond, OK 73034

phone call

j.
12/12/14
To: jshort@pcog.org

Hello Joe, in my first email to you, I wrote "as for a phone call to discuss these things, I would prefer to write. It allows me to gather my thoughts and allows both of us to go through each point thoroughly and take time to think it all through. Thank you , J."

So by your logic, because I stated that I would prefer to write, I do not have a spirit of repentance??? And now you say---"It's obvious your attitude is not one that warrants further discussion." You have not discussed ONE thing with me. "All the matters that you mentioned have been thoroughly discussed and what you have written below is simply not true.” You just sent a 3 line reply accusing me of lying! Did you thoroughly discuss this with me --- ? "

(I got a letter from the IRS, it seemed a very strange coincidence that after 18 years of silence from them, I suddenly get a letter from them. Did you or do you know of anyone else that contacted them and notified them of my years of not filing.) " Or this---?

"( I wrote Tom an email several months ago, he informed me that some one in the ministry encouraged him to call the cops on me and issue an arrest warrant regarding items from his post office box that I stored at my house. Is that true?)" ? You know that the answer is no! If you are offended by my direct questions, I am sorry but I have no control over that. I have neither been rude or written ANYTHING that is not true. You are either unwilling or incapable of answering my questions You have a title of minister--you told me that you love me and continue to pray for my repentance, yet you will not tell me what I am supposed to repent of! "Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted" (Galatians 6:1) Have you decided that the new unpardonable sin is questioning a minister? it certainly seems like it to me since you wrote "It's obvious your attitude is not one that warrants further discussion." Seems to me that you think of yourself as someone that is not to be questioned--brings to mind these scriptures:

Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

I have tried over and over to get answers from you and you refuse. I do truly hope that you will write me back and address all things that I have presented, but based on the pattern that you have displayed over the past week, I think that you will not, which would be very sad. Please prove me wrong. Sincerely, J.

looking for answers

 j.
12/22/14
To: EMNash@pcog.org

Hello Mr. Nash, I tried with absolutely no success to get my questions answered from Joe Short. I am sure that you are aware of it because it looks like he cc'd you when he replied. Hopefully you will answer my questions. First question is, why was I suspended? I remember you telling me not to attend svcs [services] on the phone call but I do not know what the reason was. Would you please tell me why? Thank you , J.

P.S. If You are not the one that made the decision to suspend me, would you please tell me who it was and their email address so I can ask them?

2nd attempt

j.
1:13 PM
To: EMNash@pcog.org

Mr. Nash, I wrote you the email below about a week ago, no response. There is a slight chance that you did not get it. If that is the case will you please answer my question? Otherwise, perhaps you are ignoring me. Either way, please respond. Thanks, J.

Hello Mr. Nash, I tried with absolutely no success to get my questions answered from Joe Short. I am sure that you are aware of it because it looks like he cc'd you when he replied. Hopefully you will answer my questions. First question is, why was I suspended? I remember you telling me not to attend svcs [services] on the phone call but I do not know what the reason was. Would you please tell me why? Thank you, J.

P.S. If You are not the one that made the decision to suspend me, would you please tell me who it was and their email address so I can ask them?

RE: 2nd attempt
Mark Nash
EMNash@pcog.org
Tue 12/30/2014, 12:15 PM

Hello J.: I believe you were told very clearly why you were suspended. If you want to discuss it with a proper attitude, feel free to contact me or Mr. Davis at Headquarters.

From: j.
To: emnash@pcog.org
Subject: : 5th attempt
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:28:43 -0500

Hello Mr. Nash, It has been over a week since I sent you the last email. This will be the 5th time that I have asked you a very simple question . I am tired of wasting my time. Would you kindly be so courteous as to answer my question? Or at the very least, respond and tell me why you will not answer it. J.

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 20:09:48 -0600
From: EMNash@pcog.org
To: j.

J.:

I believe it is pretty simple, just call Mr. Davis or me and we can discuss it.

Mark Nash

FW: : 5th attempt
j.
emnash@pcog.org

Hello Mark , It has now been almost a month that I have been waiting for you to answer my question. You have had more than enough time to reply. Unless I hear from you by 5 pm today, You are not to attend services until further notice. J.

Correspondence forwarded by J.
August 15, 2018

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