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Exposé of "Clarion Call—The Time is Now!"

After David C. Pack declared himself an Apostle in 2005, it was only a matter of time before he would unleash his grandiose plans and continue his reign of spiritual abuse and exploitation. In these sermon recordings, we will observe the implementation of heavy mind-control through use of guilt, shame, intimidation and fear.

This exposé includes excerpts from Pt. 1: "The 1335 Days—What Most Will Never Hear."

After listening to both recordings of this two-part sermon, it is obvious that Pack is eager to gain massive funds to purchase and produce literature needed to build his empire (Restored Church of God Headquarters). RCG has been one of the smaller splinter groups, having nowhere near the financial status of the larger ones. Faced with an aging congregation, fresh recruits are needed. To gain them, Pack is positioning himself to launch a massive exposure campaign. Like his mentor, Herbert W. Armstrong, he will resort to whatever it takes obtain his goals.

Spiritual abusers are obsessed with achieving greatness at any cost. Believing they are unique, they set out on a mission to do something unparalleled for God. In order to realize their fantasies, they must gain the cooperation of others and have access to their money. Clearly, Pack has devised a plan to gain both. In the sermon, entitled "The 1335 Days—What Most Will Never Hear, Pt. 1" (dated 10/27/07), Pack sets out to gain cooperation from his converts, while the "Clarion Call, Pt. 2" sermon (dated 11/3/07) was designed to gain access to their cash stash. Convincing members that he has special status, knowledge and revelation, they readily submit to his ideas.

First, let's observe Pack telling his members how imbued he is with special gifts, even paralleling himself to Herbert Armstrong: [bolding and emphasis throughout is mine; numbers at the beginning of the paragraph denotes the approximate time sequence in the recording] There was much shouting and overemphasis in his sermons and I bolded or italicized some (not all) of his words to indicate that.

(50:00) Mr. Armstrong said he was an advertising man. He was trained in advertising. I didn't get that same training. Now he was trained in advertising in terms of he actually did hands on advertising— though I did not do much of that— I did a little of it— I actually had a very extensive advertising training, but it's not hands on, therefore I would say Mr. Armstrong is obviously stronger than that. [Speaks loudly] When he wrote— pithy, powerful ads— that eventually developed and grew over time into what we called "the Plain Truth writing style." It was a powerful, extraordinary punch that he brought, having learned as an advertising man. And ultimately, he wasn't advertising soap, or cars or houses— he was advertising the truth. It's a wonderful thing that he had that ability. Whoever would come later in the short Work would have to have some of that as well. I have a tremendous amount of advertising background, but not the same as Mr. Armstrong. I put him ahead of me, clearly. Now my background— and I'm not saying Mr. Armstrong didn't have this same background— he might have as much or stronger than I— my background. Let me just summarize it. [Speaks in a prideful manner] From the time I was a little boy, under Randall and Jane Pack, and believe me, if you knew them, they were powerful in logic, debate, and analysis. My mother was the Debate Champion for years, brilliant woman. My father was a very intelligent, master salesman. And they taught me the rules of logic and analysis. From the time I was a small boy, my mother would make me look words up. So, uh, understanding the nature of words from the time I was little— very little— when I... just about as a tie [sic] [stutters] we had about a six or eight-inch thick dictionary, remember those big ones? And my uncle, a Britannica, sent us one time for Christmas one time, and I'd go through it those— I think I'd told you that story... And God says, "Come, let's reason together." And I love to reason and analyze, and whoever had this role at the end of the age would have had to be the one just— who never rests. My mother said from the time I was born, my mind never rested. It just never does. It was always [makes buzzing sound like a fly] going, all the time. Sometimes I'm going on other things when I'm talking, and that's just the way I am. Someone would have to come along and explain and re-explain prophecy, the Apostasy, hundreds of doctrines, and write them up and points, and all kinds of analysis and logic. So let's just look at some logic. My mother would never let me get away with bad logic [laughs]...

This should be reminiscent of HWA's autobiography where he also claims to be a bright, intelligent child. Both make it clear that they were endowed with special, intellectual talents, hinting at God's calling and empowerment from early childhood. Now let's look at some examples of divine revelations. During this heavily prophetic sermon ("The 1335 Days"), Pack informs his members that they will be given an "internal signal" from God— but only if they stay in the RCG. He " that nobody else outside of this group will be getting this signal.

(1:34:00) There has to be some kind of prior signal to the church to get ready to be in Judea in 1290 ...that occurs at the 1335. What is the signal? I'm going to tell you on the authority of God this is what it is: It is an internal signal given to the church and nobody else, and we won't know it until we're given the signal, because if it were to be known before, it would be in the Scriptures. It's given to the church and that's why it's not listed in the Bible and only the people in God's Church— you understand all the sequence of prophecy, the people who understand, the "wise," will hear the signal and heed the signal because they're in the right place to get— to receive— the signal. It's an internal signal. It has to be— similar to when the Christians fled when Jerusalem was about to be destroyed by the Romans in 69-70 A.D., and so they fled and they heard a noise out of the sky, a voice "Get you hence!" Thunder came right out of the sky...and they literally marched, history said, they marched right out of Jerusalem and the Roman army sort of stood back aghast as they went to Pella and escaped. And Jerusalem was destroyed with the Temple. Now it might be like that. But it will be a clear signal. We will learn inside the church. I absolutely know that the Bible doesn't name it, but I have absolute faith that we will be in Judea at 1290 [speaking of the 1290 days in Daniels 12:11]. I have absolute confidence that the end of Daniel 12 belongs in the Bible, there is 1335 days— absolute confidence in what we taught... [shouts] It has to be an internal signal given to this church. So now you know. It could be any number of signals. Again, the people who are under the government of God, who are inside the temple of God, the body of Christ, who are doing the Work patiently, waiting, waiting, doing the Work, they're absolutely on fire— they live for the Work— those are the only people— this tiny cadre of extraordinary, zealous, on-fire people— who will go through fire, hail, wind and storm, who will jump deadly snakes and swim through alligators, run through broken glass barefoot and fire to get there and do the Work! They stay here— their hearts are totally in God's Work— they're here, the only place He's doing the Work, and they are the only people rewarded and taken from what everybody else wouldn't heed. They are taken out.
(1:38:10) You know what my suggestion to you is? Don't leave the church! Stay in the church. Stay in the Temple of God. Continue doing the Work; continue under God's government. Don't compromise, don't leave; don't go anywhere. The signal is coming here. It's only the people of God [referring to the RCG] that go to the place of safety. Why would God tell anybody else?? Why would He send a signal that's broader than the church, when it's something that only involves the church? Why would He put it on a bulletin board with neon signs across the world telling the church to flee? He [Christ] would tell the church— that's who He's working with— He's not working with other people!
(1:43:30) We get a signal nobody else gets. It can't be any other way. So the official position of the Restored Church of God— the official position is that "You can't know." But the official position is, "It's okay because you're guaranteed to get the signal if you don't leave the church, you don't leave God's government, you remain a living stone, waiting, enduring patiently doing God's Work. You're guaranteed to know! And that's the official position of the church.

Notice carefully how Pack admits that this "internal signal" teaching cannot be found in the Bible. This is called "extra-biblical revelation" and all leaders of mind-manipulating, exploitive groups (a.k.a. Bible-based cults) engage in this practice. He ensures that his members understand that this is an exclusive offer, which he guarantees with "absolute confidence and faith," even though it cannot be located in the Scriptures. This is a prime example where members are exhorted to "prove all things," yet if it cannot be found in the Scriptures, they are to believe their leader with absolute faith. This is known as "transferal of authority" when the authority of the leader supersedes the authority of the Scriptures. By invoking the authority of God, creating the fear of being left behind, and offering a tremendous reward, Pack can manipulate this shift in the members' thinking. Pack makes it clear that members must stay with his church in order to receive this "internal signal." In this, he has gained their full and total cooperation.

Another bogus claim made by Pack is his attempt to parallel this "internal signal" with church history. His depiction of what happened to the early Christians before the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 is entirely fabricated. The Christians did not march out of Jerusalem with the Roman army standing aside with their mouths gaping, while thunder clapped around them. There was no such singular, heroic exodus from Jerusalem. Quite the contrary. There were no Christians remaining when Titus surrounded Jerusalem in A.D. 70. History states that Cestius Gallus laid siege to Jerusalem in A.D. 66, then suddenly withdrew. On his way back to Rome, his army was ambushed and decimated by the Jews. These kinds of skirmishes were commonplace during that period ("wars and rumors of wars"). Nero was outraged and sent his top veteran general, Vespasian, to avenge and conquer Jerusalem (A.D. 67). Vespasian's army laid siege to Jerusalem, but Nero's sudden death (A.D. 68) forced him to return to Rome, where he was later declared Emperor (A.D. 69). Vespasian then sent his son, Titus, to Jerusalem to finish what he started. During the time from A.D. 66 until Titus' return in A.D. 70, there was a period of about 3-4 years that the Christians had to flee to Pella. Those who didn't leave during the siege of Gallus were given additional time to flee after the departure of Vespasian. By the time the city was besieged by Titus, there were no Christians remaining. Let's look at the words of historians— the very same historians that Pack has quoted— and see what they say about this event.

"The whole body, however, of the church of Jerusalem, having been commanded by a divine revelation, given to men of approved piety there before the war, removed from the city, and dwelt at a certain town beyond the Jordan, called Pella. Here, those that believed in Christ, having removed from Jerusalem, as if holy men had entirely abandoned the royal city itself, and the whole land of Judea; the divine justice, for their crimes against Christ and His apostles finally overtook them, totally destroying the whole generation of these evildoers from the earth. ("The Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius Pamphilus, Bishop of Cesarea in Palestine"; Book 3, ch.5, p. 86; translated by Rev. C.F. Cruse, 1833)

Josephus also verifies that this departure began in A.D. 66:

"After this calamity [the withdrawal of Cestius Gallus from Jerusalem], many of the most eminent of the Jews swam [departed] away from the city, as from a ship when it was going to sink;" (Josephus, The Wars of the Jews, Book 2, Chapter 20, Paragraph 1).

Historians and Bible commentaries do not corroborate Pack's claims either:

"...and accordingly it is observed, that many did flee about this time; and it is remarked by several interpreters, and which Josephus takes notice of with surprise, that Cestius Gallus having advanced with his army to Jerusalem [in A.D. 66], and besieged it, on a sudden without any cause, raised the siege, and withdrew his army, when the city might have been easily taken; by which means a signal was made, and an opportunity given to the Christians, to make their escape: which they accordingly did, and went over the Jordan, as Eusebius [an early church father] says, to a place called Pella; so that when Titus [another Roman general] came a few months after, there was not a Christian in the city..." (Exposition of the Bible, Dr. John Gill, Commentary on Matthew 24:16, 1809)
"The city [Pella] earned its name in church history in A.D. 66 when Pella became a refuge for Christians who were fleeing Jerusalem because the Roman army was coming to quiet a Jewish revolution." (The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible, Volume Four, Page 672.)
"...that at this juncture all who believed in Christ left Jerusalem, and removed to Pella, and other places beyond the river Jordan: so that they all marvellously escaped the general shipwreck of their country, and we do not read any where that so much as one of them perished in the destruction of Jerusalem. Of such signal service was this caution of our Saviour to the believers." (The Prophecy of Matthew 24, Dissertation XIX, Part Two, Bishop Thomas Newton, 1754).

Clearly, Pack had given a false and inflated account of what happened. Why would an "apostle" mislead his people? He embellishes his story to make it appear that his small group would be divinely protected along these same lines. He has conjured a heroic vision, but the vision is a lie nonetheless. One must question why Pack has ignored these records and resorts to falsifying history.

Another way of gaining cooperation and control is to convince members that they are on an extraordinary, supernatural mission. After listening to both of Pack's sermons, it's quite clear that they were designed to make members feel they are the "tiny cadre of extraordinary, zealous, on-fire people" embarking on an extraordinary mission with their self-appointed apostle. (Just listen to how often Pack uses the words "extraordinary" in his sermons.) Even miracles are limited to his group in the end times:

(1:06:05) How do you know whether a miracle is from Satan or a miracle is from God? Well, the only true miracles occur within the Body of Christ where the gift of miracles has occurred...[stutters] is given. If the miracle is "true" it will happen in the Restored Church of God. All other miracles occurring anywhere on earth will be false. ["The 1335 Days— What Most Will Never Hear"]

Now that members believe that Pack is under a special mission from God to receive a special signal that will save their lives from the Tribulation, they are properly groomed to hear the next sermon, "Clarion Call." Skipping ahead, we can see that Pack already has plans in place to purchase the equipment needed to bring his grandiose dreams to life.

(1:23-1:24) Now 6 months from today will be a Sabbath and will be our 9th anniversary...and we will be publishing at bookstores at that point— perhaps all over the world. Some very exciting things are happening. We will be video-casting all over the world. Those things require extraordinary amounts of seed money we do not have. We are ready to do it, we got the goods to take to market, but we cannot do it. We don't have the money. We need to redesign our website. We need to vest our advertising budget in a big way. We are nowhere close at this point to a building or ministry. We need many hundreds of thousands of dollars to arrive at God's Headquarters soon. There's a big blast coming on this world— a big, last blast— and the time is now!

(1:29:20) Will you cling to your substance? ...We don't have many years. We have plans so big going on in this office that it would cause this room to rock and gyrate if you knew what was going on. We just need a lot of money and we need it post haste!

(1:57:20) Collectively, the net value of the church is probably multiple, multiple millions of dollars. But because we can't access that, or even the many, many hundreds of thousands of dollars we can use immediately with a lot more to follow, we simply cannot do those additional things. An example would be that we have fabulous machinery in place that can make super quality books and booklets unlike anything the Work ever saw in the 20th century. But we can't hit the print button to send out as much literature as we like because we don't have the funds. The same is true with video-casting, web redesign, certain other Internet advertising and many other things we want to do. [Quotes excerpted from "Clarion Call— The Time is Now!"]

Dave Pack has some big plans in store for his organization, and the cost is substantial. He is more than willing to let his members shoulder this responsibility, as we will see.


Now we will examine the "Clarion Call" sermon in greater detail. Pack begins this sermon by recapping the "internal signal," reminding members where their loyalty ought to be. Again, he captivates his members by repeating the prophetic predictions in last week's sermon. He assures them that they have "4-9 years left; 5-9 years left" before they begin to see the beginning of the end times. Continuing below, it is interesting to note two things here. First, Pack corroborates the teaching held by the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) during the early 1970s. Outlining the details of fleeing to the "place of safety," Pack clearly shows that this belief was taught from the pulpit. (Ron Kelly, in a vain attempt with his sermon "Fun With Prophecy" tried to make WCG members believe they imagined these things. [see my review of that sermon])

(4:00-5:32) ...We used to have this idea in the church...we understood that these 3-day periods, the 1335, 1290 and 1260 were in the Bible, and everybody was excited about them, we thought maybe everything would wrap up in 1972 when I was called in early 66...there was this attendant idea that flowed off the 1335 days that at some point we would all hear that there was 6, 9 or 12 months to go; there would come this notice before the 1335 days...We would all be asked to go gather all our resources, our assets, tap our savings account, drain the equity from our home, run our credit cards to the limit, maybe were weren't going to have to pay them back, before we went to the place of safety. We'd cash in our IRA's, our Pension Funds, cash our stocks; redeem our gold and silver and precious stones. We all talked about this. This was understood. And then we would give it to the church for the last big blast before the Work ended. Thousands, indeed tens of thousands believed that. I did and I taught it many a time.
There's one problem with it— it's absolutely impossible. It's not a believable concept and it's simply unbiblical. It's not possible. There's no way there is coming some big final blast that will come off of 3, 6, 9, or 12 months before the 1335; that we'll get this notice that that's how much time is left before we find out "how much time is left." You see, it's not possible. You can see if you can figure it out, and try to guess it, but nobody ever thought about why that's simply false.

Secondly, we see Pack claim that this doctrine of knowing when to flee is "unbiblical." Ironically, members will not understand that he has declared another teaching of HWA's as "simply false." For one who continually claims that he's the only one holding up the teachings of Herbert Armstrong, it seems that Pack has managed to disembowel and revise another sacred teaching. How did he manage to pull this one off? By declaring that HWA didn't restore the full knowledge of prophecy, just as Daniel and the apostles weren't given complete knowledge of the future. This opens the door for him to change or annul anything previously taught by HWA. [Note: For those who believe HWA restored the true gospel, please see my critical review of Mystery of the Ages.]

(28:25) He [HWA] understood and began to teach in the 30s...things that Daniel was never allowed to understand... but "one was sent" in the 1930s to explain, and there's a prophecy in Revelation 13 that says as much...there would come this man in the `30s who would explain it. Somebody on earth would explain it when the 6th head existed...he had been sent and been prepared in an extraordinary way to explain things the apostles themselves never understood and of course, that Daniel never understood. The apostles never understood it. Mr. Armstrong did not restore the knowledge of prophecy. He restored all of the other doctrines, including the 7,000-year plan of God. But what Daniel wrote was sealed till the end, which means it leapt all the way over the apostles— they never understood it! Mr. Armstrong not only was the Elijah sent to restore all things, but he explains some things that were never known. And the Bible again, prophesied about one to be sent in the 1930s and would do this explaining...
(1:13:30) Let's look back at this thing of Mr. Armstrong as the Elijah who restored all things, because we're going to learn something today and it's important that you understand [because] the church didn't understand what I'm going to say... But remember, the Elijah was prophesied to come and restore all things. You can't restore what was never known. As I said earlier, Mr. Armstrong brought tremendous prophetic understanding in the 1930s that no prophets of the first century prophets could not have known, so he did both. He brought a lot of prophetic understanding, a framework, but it was not technically part of restoring all things. It was just new understanding that God gives to apostles. ["The 1335 Days— What Most Will Never Hear"]

Pack is playing word games and using double-talk. If Pack can get his members to believe that HWA wasn't given full knowledge of all prophecy, then Pack is free to design his own scenarios. If he can convince his members that "new understanding" can be given to apostles1 (since he claims to be one), then he's opened the way for himself to receive these "new" revelations. That leaves Pack in the position as the "restorer of all prophecy." He's carved out a cushy niche for himself that few will question.

For the next thirty minutes Pack will launch into a long discussion, heavily emphasizing the words "obey, submit, follow, imitate me, follow me" as he meanders through numerous topics. Now he reminds his members how much he has sacrificed for the Work:

(42:40) I never had a six-figure salary in the church... I have absolutely nothing in a savings account...I don't have a penny in a savings account. I have no social security coming my way. I disavowed it when I was 22 years old...I didn't invest in it, neither did my wife...I have no stocks, no gold or silver. I was given gold and silver from my father when he died, frankly quite a bit. I gave every penny of it to my siblings after he died. I didn't keep any of it— not one coin... I choose not to take an expense account...I sold my company that I got from my father seven years ago and gave all— all— proceeds to the church— all of it, didn't keep any of it. I have a 10-year old car...All the leaders of the splinters, and many of the ministers there, have fleet cars. I don't. I bought my car... I might get a new one if I get a raise. I have no health insurance. None. Nor did my wife. Every dime I spent on my wife's health, I borrowed. Every bit of it...I borrowed. Every dime. I buried my wife. Everything about it, I borrowed. That's how many multi-millions I have. No health insurance— couldn't afford it!... Never mind I did that when my wife went off salary. My income dropped like a rock in the pond, my payout exploded. I did not complain. I have no equity essentially in my home... I'm also making a payment for my daughter to become an accountant and help in the church. I had to pay her education. The church didn't pay it. So I can just tell you that I'll be paying for the next 15 years, a nice chunk, three figures, every month, for the rest of my life. I refinanced my home four times for the purpose of giving some to the Work.

Pack will also use guilt to achieve his goals.

(49:15) What most of you do not know, my wife— and this is part of what led to the cancer, no doubt— my wife sat for a period of four years, and she bled in her seat for every day but three, for a four-year period. And she was loath to have me talk about it. She didn't want sympathy from me or from anybody else...All under fire from people who said, "He's bankrolling himself." She was very much a co-participant in all those decisions to give. My wife literally gave her blood. When you talk about "bleeding for the Work," she "bled out for the Work."...She gave much more— much, much more. Blood, sweat, tears, and ultimately her life! She battled anemia for years, struggled with enough energy to deal with getting through certain days. But the lesson is "Learn from her example." Follow it. Do you really appreciate her?...Do you really appreciate what she did? What's been given to you??
(52:10) I have felt that I was specially required to give up everything. I grew up in a very successful home...but I had to be willing to walk away from a lot. I had it made. I could have been easily a millionaire by now, without much effort frankly, because I was the lucky kid of a successful businessman. And I inherited my father's company and kept it for five years and it all went into the Work. I gave up everything including Mrs. Pack I might add, to hold the special authority to ask the same of you...My wife gave all that she had. I have never seen or heard of anyone who gave more except certain Bible figures! I am here to report that she has no time, no money, or blood, left to give. She has nothing more. Her contract with Christ is finished. She literally gave all. Now she has one more gift to give— that is, she can give her example to you— that you will follow her...
(54:35) [Speaks with chastising tone] Now what about all of you? What have you done? Not what you've talked about doing— what have you done??? Because the time to give is now! No last blast is coming except for the fact that the last blast, officially: You believe I am God's Apostle, if Government to you is in the guts and not academic and just in the head, then you will listen to what I say because I'm telling you be followers of me— on Christ's authority, follow what I did!

Sacrificing one's own life for the Work is the epitome of commitment—how will members ever be able to aspire to this level? Pack lays it on thick to let members know how much he had given up, and they should do no less.

After filling members with guilt and shame, Pack will now drop the bomb.

(1:25:00) ...We're not talking about a special offering here...This is different...This is in faith— making the decision with you and your wife on your knees with your Bible open, asking for faith and strength, the faith to liquidate certain existing assets and give them to the Work! We are ready to trumpet now! Will you copy my wife? Will you be followers of her and me?...
(1:11:35) If you hold those riches, I'm telling you, you trust in them! [chastising voice]...I am charged by God, reading this verse to charge all of you out there in the Work, in the church, who have assets. You have a home that's paid off? [yelling] Go get a big chunk out of your home and put your money where your mouth is and send it here! And I'm not talking one, two, three thousand either! How about ten, twenty, thirty, fifty, a hundred thousand dollars— Go do it!! Woo hoo, Mr. Pack, you got serious! [mimicking voice] You haven't heard anything yet— keep listening. [said with haughty attitude]
(1:41:00) [Voice gets very stern] If you're not "ready to distribute," you're not "willing to communicate" to Headquarters about it then obviously, you don't care what God says! You have rejected the scriptural charge given! [Says with disgust] Have the courage to admit you don't believe that God's government is here. You don't believe the flow of prophecy. But if you don't believe the verse, then admit that you are not going to lay up store in time to come except in your earthly treasure house. Admit that. Now I want to summarize again. This is not a special offering after the fashion of the last three. This is announcing the last blast— the Clarion Call as it were, to finish the Work. Whether it's 4, 5, 7 or 9 years to go, God knows. But what this is, is a sea change in thinking in effect in the 2000-year history of the church. It's not a call to simply sacrifice from month to month by reducing your cable bill or turning your air conditioner off a little bit. This is liquidating assets. This is going to where you keep your earthly treasure, wherever it is and liquidating it! I have the authority to tell you to do it because I did it myself. I'll reiterate that again. I have the moral and spiritual authority and ecclesiastical authority to tell you to do what I've already done!

Are these the words of a loving shepherd or of one who is a "lover of money"? A good shepherd will never expect his sheep to carry such a burden. But we see no such mandate for kindness here. We also see Dave Pack abuse his position and authority by demanding and feeling entitled to his followers' assets. Pack's "sacrifices" come with a great price tag for his followers. If his sacrifices were truly "voluntary" and of his own free will and "from the heart," then why does he demand his members pay the same price? This "sacrificial giving" on Pack's behalf seems to have a lot of strings attached. He reminds them that any hesitancy or unwillingness on their part is equated with rejecting God's direct command.

Now some may argue and say, "But Mr. Pack was only speaking about those who have excess to give." To the contrary. Pack makes it very clear that members were to liquidate their assets now, like they would have done back in Worldwide Church of God in 1972. He makes it clear that holding on to any assets shows a lack of faith— in him and in God. He continually reminds them that they won't be needing these assets anyway since the end is near. He also makes it especially clear that anyone who holds anything back will not be going to the place of safety. Nothing is to be kept back, not even retirement accounts.

(1:48:30) Others may say that "I'm going to tap my 401K and I think I can get "X-amount."...Now it may not be convenient to your life to give now. Some will say, "If I wait five more years until I retire I could do a little more, I could leave a little bit more for me." Here's what you should say: [shouting] The Work needs the funds now, not when I can maximize personal benefit and help the Work! Now there could be penalties. That's life! It's better that the Work gets 75% or 50% of something, as opposed to waiting 3, 5, 7, 10 years, or never getting it at all— but getting 100% of it— which could be 100% of nothing! One percent of something beats a 100% of nothing, or even getting it too late to do anything. "Well, I'll lose to taxes." Well, if you die, or all kinds of ways you can outlive the time left, waiting to save on taxes. But even if you die a couple of years before dying, there's Probating the Will, and then we haven't time to spend it. [Instructs them on giving some of it in 2007 and then more in 2008 for tax purposes.] Think big! Don't just squander the money! Or pay penalties as you pull a 401K, or whatever, or other assets— don't squander! Pull big triggers! Think big! A little bit of planning can help.

Notice Pack's disdain toward those who will have to pay taxes and penalties for early withdrawal of these accounts. He gives a flippant "That's life" response to those who have to bear these penalties. Pack cares little about the consequences members must face for following his orders. This is abuse when a shepherd doesn't care what the sheep have to suffer just as long as the shepherd gets his way. Later, when Packs instructs spouses to take whatever they can, we will see this same indifference toward consequences.

Below we see a contradiction made by Pack. In both sermons, Pack informed his members that they only had "4-9 years, 5-9 years left" to finish the Work. When Pack wants to extract money from his followers, such as retirement funds, he makes them believe that they won't be able to use those funds because there's so little time left:

(0:3:35) So we don't know how many years we have left. We know we have somewhere, perhaps 4-9 years left; 5-9 years, and we'll leave it at that as we go on.
(2:06:40) [Speaking of IRA's and pension funds] What would you need those funds for? If you believe the things from last week. [meaning they won't be able to use them since they will be fleeing in the near future.]

But when Pack wants to gain sympathy, he let's his followers know that he's going to be paying his debts for a long time:

(46:00) [Speaking of his daughter's tuition] The church didn't pay it. So I can just tell you that I'll be paying for the next 15 years, a nice chunk, three figures, every month, for the rest of my life.

When it comes to sharing his long-term misery, Dave seems to have forgotten that he's promised his parishioners that they are going to flee in the very near future. Worse yet, Pack encourages his members to engage in financial filching since he's reassured them that they are going to flee before any of this has to be paid back:

(1:47:05) [Speaking of Home Equity Lines] The worst that can happen, and I'm prepared for this— is that you run it all the way up, and then you have to amortize it in a term loan after 10 or 20 years. It requires some faith, but not a lot. Now you just have a second mortgage instead of an Equity Line. It's converted into a term loan, paid over a period of 10 or 20 years, starting in 10 or 20 years. It's what I've done. I'm prepared to do it. And then, frankly, we flee before most of it ever comes due. That's just the way it is.

If members are assured they won't have to pay, then what's to stop them from going in over their heads? Pack knows this, and his encouragement of financial suicide is offensive. This is not stepping out in faith— this is stepping out in foolishness, covered up to look like "faith." Unfortunately, Pack's greed doesn't stop there. Even if members thought about making contributions in private to God, Pack demands that money, too!

If members are assured they won't have to pay, then what's to stop them from going in over their heads? Pack knows this, and his encouragement of financial suicide is offensive. This is not stepping out in faith— this is stepping out in foolishness, covered up to look like "faith." Unfortunately, Pack's greed doesn't stop there. Even if members thought about making contributions in private to God, Pack demands that money, too!

(1:15:05) - Proverbs 20:6. Most men— not all— some will just be faithful...We've had people come and voluntarily promise to send in assets. Some have even said "These assets belong to God" then compared themselves to Ananias and Sapphira that they didn't get it here. [Uses loud, chastising voice] Wait until they see how they've offended God when they don't do it!! My counsel to them and to all others who've made promises to God, even to God privately, "Go get those assets and get them here!! You're kidding yourself if you think you're going to be in the Kingdom of God!! ...[Uses sarcastic, demeaning voice] "Oh, you can count on me!" and then they're not here. They don't show up...You know if you've opened your mouth and said you're going to give something then you better give it. I know there are different circumstances in different nations, brethren, and I know that. There are certain hoops you have to jump through. Maybe you get taxed for a certain amount you give. And you know what? Jump through the hoops! Don't sit on vast resources we can use now! I'll tell you more about what we want to do in just a moment.
(1:17:00) [Continues reading Eccles. 5 concerning "making vows"] If you say you're going to do something, do it!! Neither say it was in error. [Shouts in demeaning imitation] "I didn't mean to say it!" You know what? You said it! Don't say, "It was an error! I'm sorry! It was a mistake!" [keeps reading Eccles.] "I'll do this, I'll do that" then you don't do it. [Uses scolding voice] Fear your God! You uttered it, do it!! Saying it is not good enough, and that includes what you privately say in prayers!

Invading a person's private and personal conscience is horrendous. This shows that Pack lacks any kind of proper boundaries. He must grab anywhere he can take, instilling fear in his members' heart and soul— even invading their intimate prayers to God. Again, observe Pack's apathy toward those who will have to suffer the tax consequences as he orders them to jump through the hoops. He barks out these orders as if his members are animals.

Pack will remind his members that they haven't been living up to perfect standards of performance. He chastises them for not paying up fully on 1st tithe, 2nd tithe, 3rd tithe, and Holy Day offerings.

(1:19:05) Every year, believe it or not, a significant number of people either skip or forget one, two, even three or four of their holy day offerings. Now how is that possible? I might ask such people— and maybe this is you— who are you kidding? How can you possibly believe that you're going to sit on a throne beside Jesus Christ and be given power over the nations if you disobey a fundamental command like that, and particularly one attached directly to whether or not and how you feel you've been blessed? Who are you kidding? Go find a different church!! You simply don't believe God, and this one does.
(1:20:00) Some people adopt their own standard and frequency of when they'll pay God's tithes. If it isn't convenient, they'll simply "skip" months. They'll simply skip paying tithes. "Oh, it didn't add up this month," so they skip it. We see it every single month, there are people that profess to believe that tithes belong to God, and they just skip them...
(1:20:20) If members do not take care of their fellow brethren through additional second tithe that they did not spend, and I'm saying "Follow my example," there are people who get to go to God's Feast— quite a few of them every single year— because I choose not to spend my excess second tithe, which I'm allowed to keep. [Starts yelling] And others, who are not allowed to keep it, don't send it in, and people can't go to the Feast! And that's wrong! That's wrong! We have people that make huge sums of money— where's the extra 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 thousand dollars in second tithe that they aren't sending in?? I'll tell you where it is— They're stealing it and pretending they're going to be in the Kingdom of God! And they're keeping others from going to the Feast. I know there's a certain latitude— you can spend it up to a certain reasonable limit. You need tires to get to the Feast, or an extra suit; you can do that sometimes. But people play games, sort of "It's mine and I can spend it. I'm using it to go to the Feast and I'm going to need my new laptop for the Feast. That's stealing! With tires or multiple suits, or get a new car, lots of clothes for the family, buy all the kids fall school clothes— I'm trying to use examples of what people do, who couldn't possibly use all their second tithe for the Feast. They just couldn't possibly do it. So they're stealing from other people and stealing from God because that money comes from God and it's keeping other people from going.
(1:21:55) There are others who don't pay third tithe. The church is not obligated to spend third tithe caring for the brethren that we do not receive. You are required— it is a command to you— every third and sixth year in a seven-year cycle, to send third tithe in and care for your brethren...

Now that members feel the full brunt of their guilt for falling short of their performance-based standards, they will certainly try to make it up to Pack by doing whatever he demands in order to exonerate themselves. Pack is clearly obsessed with reaping every penny he can throw into his coffer. Even though members have faithfully saved their 2nd tithe for the Feast— even paying a tithe of it to Headquarters (which isn't commanded in Scripture)— they are still not rewarded with freedom to spend their 2nd how they please. The Old Testament said the Israelites were to go to Feast and enjoy themselves fully with their abundance (Deut. 14:26; 16:14), but Pack says "not!" He will outline man-made rules to control their spending so he may reap more after the Feast. He throws another guilt-trip on the brethren to make them believe they are "stealing it" when they don't comply with his specifications. And for those who've given their assets to Pack, they better not count on being cared for in the future because Pack makes it clear that the church is not obligated to do so if 3rd tithe funds are not met. David Pack shows little empathy toward the widows and orphans who supposedly benefit from this fund.

NOTE: This sermon can be listened to here playing on Windows Media Player. ESN also has a copy of the file.

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