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Gerald Flurry’s Open Letter the Same Old Con Game:
January 1, 2020
I read Gerald Flurry’s “open letter to the churches of God” that was posted online December 6. He is trying to capitalize on the warm fuzzies of yesteryear. It’s the same old con game used by HWA. “Remember the good times?” says SF, and “Oh, and let me remind you that you better remember because your eternal life depends on it!” It’s the usual pile of crap. He sounds like a broken record, rehashing the same load of garbage as David Pack–and they’re still fighting for HWA’s crown after all these decades! –[name withheld]
UPDATE by ESN: Some splinter groups who claim they are God’s true church have put forth some kind of “open letter” to try and gain more members. Gerald Flurry’s “open letter” is filled with trigger words (aka Buzzwords) which will resonate with anyone who has been in these groups.
The “Good ole Days” is Merely A Disguise of the Deceit:
January 1, 2020
Since we’re going into a new year, I’ve been seeing “recaps” of the past year’s events. Flurry is using the “recap format” but at the same time, trying to lure ex-members into his fold with nostalgic memories of the HWA Glory Days.
Yeah, I want to “relive” all those good memories–with a bucket of “ice cold reality” water: D&R, triple tithing, disfellowshipping, racial segregation, control over food, careers, sex, etc. It was spiritual abuse on a grand scale. Once people are convinced that this is “the only true Church,” they’re too frightened to leave, lest they face the Lake of Fire for their “rebellion.” PCG, with all its clean-shaven, business suit-wearing men, and conservatively clad women and children, are exploited both financially and emotionally. The members are hyper-focused on obeying a plethora of cherry-picked rules. They rarely have an opportunity to truthfully evaluate the quality of their lives and question the motives and/or direction of their leadership.
So the marketing of “sunshine and roses of the Good Ole Days” is a mere disguise of the deceit that Flurry has no qualms to engage in so he can continue living his palatial lifestyle. It’s all about the leaders’ insatiable appetite for money and power, and they’ll use any means to gain it. –M. C.
Gerald Flurry’s “Open Letter” is a Worked-Over Letter From February 2006:
January 1, 2020
I just discovered that this “open letter” of Gerald Flurry’s was a worked-over letter that he originally published in the Philadelphia Trumpet back in February 2006. I found this out from a footnote you had in “Philadelphia Church of God Info” where you quoted from it. You can find this open letter of his in the February 2006 Trumpet Print Edition online and the recent re-worked one in the PCG church articles online.
Here is what your footnote #31 said, referring to the sentence “Gerald Flurry continues to proclaim to his members that God is giving him ‘new revelation.’ “:
“God has continued to bless us, as He did Mr. Armstrong, with new revelation. The living God did not stop speaking to His people when Mr. Armstrong died.” (Philadelphia Trumpet, February 2006, “From the Editor: An Open Letter to the Churches of God” by Gerald Flurry) …
This “open letter” is nothing new. Even time was “fast running out” back in 2006. –[name withheld]
Flurry Obstructs One’s Vision:
January 2, 2020
I read Flurry’s letter. He is well named, “Flurry” as in a snow storm that obscures one’s vision. He is desperately trying to establish himself as receiving the Armstrong mantle. Pathetic. –B.
Death of Suzanne Davis Was Avoidable:
January 3, 2020
Suzanne apparently had fallen ill with a kidney problem during the Feast of Tabernacles and if she had been to visit a doctor may have been a treatable problem. [Suzanne died 12-3-19] However, being Brian Davis wife she would have suffered in the faith and died in the faith. It is so sad that doctors are seen as so evil in the PCG that all these people who could maybe be alive have all died just because they will be frowned upon by members if they don’t “die in the faith.” Also, her brother Richard suffers from MS [multiple sclerosis]. –Ex-PCGer
Suzanne Davis Never Looked Healthy:
January 5, 2020
Suzanne Davis was always very thin. Her condition obviously wasn’t treated at all. It may have been just a UTI, or kidney stone(s). She never looked healthy to me. I recently spoke with a friend that knew her and the Hessong family well when he was in PCG. He mentioned how sickly thin she was, too. –Former PCG & RCG member
The January 16 Date:
January 10, 2020
Greetings to all those members of any of the splinter groups and especially to the ex-WCG and PCG members. Beware, January the 16 is fast approaching and Flurry has to make a prophecy of what will occur on the anniversary of the death of Herbert W Armstrong. –Ex-WCG and ex-PCG.
Comment: Many members in PCG have been lead to believe “something significant” will happen on that date. PCG still has a 2010 article up: “Keeping an Eye on January 16 and 17.”
Temporary Court Order Preventing Spouse From Taking Children to PCG Services:
January 11, 2020
I have separated from my spouse because of this “church.” I have a temporary court order preventing my spouse from taking my children to services.
Do you know of anyone who has sought legal action against Gerald flurry or PCOG? –[name withheld]
Comment: This person has received a personal reply.
Death of a Friend in the PCG:
January 11, 2020
I am a former member of the PCG. I left sometime in 2013 as I started becoming disillusioned with how things were going within the “Church’s” structure. Today I just learned of an old friend’s death at the hands of cancer. Corey Wommel died this morning from cancer leaving his wife and my friend Caity Wommel and their son Ian behind. I’m greatly saddened to hear from his death but for the last 7 years, I had not heard from him. I do not know when he found out he had cancer but I have to wonder if the teachings of the PCG dissuaded him from seeking treatment that could have saved him from death and kept him in place as a father and husband. Even during my time at HWA college, I have seen the effect that this teaching has had with many people refusing medical treatment for things we have cures for, instead of relying on the deluded belief that God will do what they are fully capable of doing themselves.
Thanks for listening. –[name withheld]
Reply: Thanks for sharing about this. There have been many deaths in PCG over the years due to lack of medical treatment or even suicide. I know this is very sad and I’m sorry to hear this about your friend.
Started to Get Jaded After Losing Several Friends:
(2nd email from person above)
January 11, 2020
I was actually still in when Janet Privatsky died. I went to school with David’s younger brother Stephen. The story about Janet kinda put me over the fence as far as my decision to leave. The whole situation seemed kind of fishy to begin with and after losing several friends at that point I was starting to get jaded. Anyway, thanks for doing what you do. As I’ve gotten older, the only thing that seems to matter to me anymore is honesty and it seriously seems to be lacking in the PCG. –[name withheld]
January 16–When Something “Significant” Happened:
January 16, 2020
There are PCG members who feel something “very significant” will happen “around January 16” (HWA’s date of death). When you remind them that nothing significant happened last Jan 16, they have nothing to say. If the date of HWA’s death is so significant, why is it “around” the date, and not right on that date? Also, why are the happenings hit-and-miss? Shouldn’t something very significant happen every January 16, like clockwork? So it would appear that there is no “new prophecy” from GF about what will happen January 16, just the usual poppycock speculation. –B. W.
Comment: PCG posted an article in News/Philadelphia Church of God (online website) entitled,”On This Day: January 16″ (by Staff) where it lists what they believe are “some of the “most significant world events” from January 16, 1986 to January 16, 2020. And what is the most significant even for January 16, 2020? “Impeachment trial of President Donald Trump begins in U.S. Senate.” So there you have it. UPDATE: President Trump was acquitted by the Senate on February 5, 2020.
He also covered the subject in his 2019 booklet, entitled, January 16: God’s Miracle Day. In the booklet he lists ten “Notable Events in the Church” that happened on January 16 (Key of David was Jan 17), up to 2017. Beneath that he lists 19 “Notable Events in the World” that happened on Jan. 16 or 17, up to 2017. The online article just shortens the list and updates it with 2020. He’s coming up with anything he can to keep perpetuating this myth.
Gerald Flurry Declares Churchwide Fast:
January 17, 2020
GF has declared a churchwide fast from this Saturday evening (Jan. 18) until Sunday evening (Jan. 19). He says the reason is for the Jerusalem Dig. –T. F.
Flurry Predicted Trump Will Kick PCG Members out of the United States:
January 18, 2020
Why is Flurry saying the most significant event for January 16 is the impeachment trial of Trump? Didn’t he predict that Trump will kick the members out of the United States? –[name withheld]
Reply. Yes, and this is mentioned in the January 24, 2017 letter where it says Flurry prophesied that “Trump will ally with Joe Tkach Jr. and the WCG and finally kick the PCG members out of the USA, exiling them to Jordan/Petra.” But the August 6, 2018 letter says GF said in The New Throne of David that the place of safety was now in Abdullam. Then the August 9, 2019 letter talks about GF’s “prophesy” of “Trump being re-elected and deporting all of the PCG members and then being assassinated.” I’m sure all this keeps members’ focus on how “the time is short.”
GF’s Wild Predictions:
January 30, 2020
I’d like to expose GF for the liar he is. GF’s wild predictions about Trump and the PCG members being ousted is just another ploy to keep the members distracted and coughing up dough for his “boy toy” Lear jet. This “prophecy” may be the one that breaks the camel’s back, though; whether Trump is re-elected or not, there’s no way that the PCG members are going to be kicked out of the USA. I’m hoping there’s a great exodus from the PCG when this one fails. This prediction is a biggie for GF, so when it fails, I hope it hits hard. He does have time on his side, as some members will completely forget about this years from now; and you never know, GF may be “pushing up daisies” by that time, so its failure will be irrelevant in the members’ minds. –G. A.
Flurry’s Prediction About Trump Makes No Sense at All:
February 13, 2020
I wonder how it is that Gerald Flurry thinks Joe Tkach Jr. is going to get together with President Trump to kick the PCG out of the US?
Joe Tkach Jr has been retired from GCI [Grace Communion International] for at least a year.
And I recently contacted GCI and asked them if they back or talk to Mr Trump. They said they don’t back or promote any political people at all.
That “prediction” makes no sense at all.
You people are doing a great service to all ex-COG members by letting us hear what is happening around the world. –Former PCG member
Saying Drought in Australia Was a Curse From God:
February 16, 2020
I been thinking recently about the bushfires in Australia. Flurry (and other similar people) would have people believe that the lengthy drought in Australia was a curse from God for people’s (the public’s) sins, and that God would give them rain when they repent of whatever sin was the cause of the drought.
I seem to remember that we were taught in the WCG that it is God who grants repentance. If only a “few” are “called now” and given the chance to “repent,” then why on earth would God be punishing the rest of humanity for their so-called sins when He hasn’t even granted them repentance?
Now there has been rain across the bushfire regions and the fires are effectively put out.
Did the people of Australia “repent” of their sins? No, probably not, but it rained anyway. There are floods now which are a natural result after a drought.
These religious leaders all seem to say the same thing in their literature and television broadcasts to suck people into their cults by saying the words, “You need to know.” No, you don’t “need to know” anything that they have to say. –Australia
Note from ESN: Bushfires in Australia are a regular occurrence.
January 16 is Called National Nothing Day:
February 23, 2020
Did you know that January 16th in the USA has a special significance? It is called National Nothing Day. There are many other websites mentioning it as well. It is a day to celebrate nothing of significance! –G.
Truth Will Withstand Any Scrutiny:
February 24, 2020
I’m sure your research is being read by people who haven’t contacted ESN but are staying quiet. I’ve read stuff on other websites but never contacted them, and I’m sure there are people out there who are doing the same. It’s scary to see all that information and have your belief system knocked out from under you. I know it makes you feel guilty that you betrayed the organization by looking at it, and somehow they are going to know that you did. So you don’t say anything to anyone because you feel somehow it’s going to get back to them. But I realized that if it was the truth, it would withstand any scrutiny. Truth will always win if it is indeed, true. But when you question, they make you believe that questioning them is like questioning God Himself. The Lord has inspired you to put this information up for a reason and only He knows how many have been helped. He will break their bonds if they so allow. –[name withheld]
The Pull to Go Back in PCG is Strong:
March 1, 2020
I knew someone who would ask me about some of the teaching in PCG and what I thought about them and some of their decisions. I got the feeling she was in too deep and just thought that “if only” the right person was in there, then things would be all right. She just didn’t see the whole thing was wrong and she was in a cult.
That seems to be the main undertone I get from most. Some do actually see the truth– get out and stay out! The others just don’t seem to be ready to leave. All we can do is stand back and wait until they see it. Even when you show them articles or Scripture, they go back to the teaching of the PCG. When the church (cult) makes you cut off family and friends, it is just such a pull to go back with them, as you have burnt your bridges with everyone on the outside and there’s no one to be with any more. It just seems easier to suck up your hard feelings, put them behind you, and go back, just to be with family and friends that are there. This is my feeling about things. –Former PCG member
March 3, 2020
I was told by my father-in-law who is in contact with someone still inside the PCG that Gerald Flurry asked for a Church wide fast and prayer for a land deal in Israel to succeed. Apparently, Flurry wants to buy some property near to Jerusalem to give the PCG a permanent foothold in the Holy Land.
Outsiders have occupied property in Israel and have even built institutions of Christian theological learning for decades at least. The Mormons have a university right on the hills of Jerusalem called BYU Jerusalem Center since 1986. A Christian evangelical couple named Stephen and Clair Phann have an institution called University of the Holy Land right in Israel. Bethlehem Bible College is another institution run by evangelicals that has been there since 1979.
Flurry is just doing what HWA tried back when Teddy Kolleck was mayor of Jerusalem in the 80s.
More requests for money are forthcoming as well as the incessant spring Holy Day guilt trip to be put on the membership. I still cringe when I think of those 3 1/2 hour Passover Services with Cal Culpepper glaring at you behind the pulpit. –B
PCG Members Talking to Excommunicated Members and Friends:
March 3, 2020
There are also many PCG members who are still talking to their excommunicated family members and friends. My wife has seen on Social Media where some members even attend Birthday and Christmas outings with people Flurry has banned. I hope this is a sign that people are not drinking the Kool-Aid like they used to. As Gerald Flurry slowly slips into declining mental ability, it is hoped that Stephen Flurry (now the heir apparent) will relax the draconian rules put in place by his father. –B.
Not Seen Family in PCG for 10 Years:
March 4, 2020
Thank you for your web site.
My husband and I would never return to the PCG. We have a daughter and grandsons whom we have not seen for 10 years. I emailed and asked my daughter if they would please send us some photos of the family especially our grandsons. Needless to say we did not get any. –South Africa
Flurry’s Key of David Off the Air on Channel 44 in Perth, Western Australia:
March 6, 2020
Very recently a community television station, channel 44, shut down completely. The Key of David therefore
will no longer be shown in Perth, Western Australia. –Australia
The Pull to Be Part of That Special Flock:
March 7, 2020
Thoughts towards one of the February letters. [February 14, 2020: “Truth Will Withstand Any Scrutiny”]
Yes, I am one of those once who is staying quiet. I’ve read stuff on other websites and never contacted them either! I have been on this page for 10 years. I think it is time to introduce change into that habit of saying nothing…hearing nothing…seeing nothing.
What have I been into as a former member of the PCG during that membership? What is/was that PCG experience all about?
For me as I look back into all those years as a member of the PCG, what was it really that kept me going, kept me motivated to be actively involved in that PCG endeavor?
I as a German must have known better because my ancestors followed a man and got fooled individually and collectively by a man. Why did I step into that same trap so easily?
It is so difficult to accept and confess that one is a man follower, isn’t it? That tremendous pull to be part of that special flock. That elite, that elite train of thought to be part of something big. It is so “wonderful” and easy going to be led by a man or a group spirit towards that man’s authority and as “someone who follows and obeys”–what can he do?
He who submits is not guilty, infallible, so we even submit to the most horrible crap like zombies. Submission towards a higher cause. So we whitewash ourselves for that cause or whatever our mind is making up.
That is the bottom line and it took me now all that time in a way to denazify myself from that mind trapping slavery.
Yes, now it is out. –Germany
Your Site Helped Me to Recognize a Wild Wolf:
March 10, 2020
From the outside, nothing can make us doubt of what is going on inside this organization.
There is so much difference between what they say and how they act with people, without respect.
I’m very thankful to all people who wrote their testimonies and letters on your site. Your site allowed me to recognize a wild wolf where I saw a lamb!
Keep up your good work!
Have a nice day! –Mario (author of PCG testimony: I Almost Got Sucked Into the Swirl of PCG)
PCG Feast Sites for 2020:
March 18, 2020
Here are the 2020 Feast sites taken from their planner:
Lake Geneva, WI
Indian Wells, CA
Sault Ste. Marie, ON
Plantations Estate, TT
Tweed Heads, AU
Baguio City, PH
Jerusalem, IL (pending)
Note on the Jerusalem site:
“At the time of printing, we are not sure if we will have a 2020 Feast site in Jerusalem. If something does open up in the future we will make the information available on the Feast website and through announcements. We will give preference to those who have a passport, the funds, and who have never been accepted to Jerusalem in the past, since the plan is for a small site of just 60 people.”
Flurry Not a Prophet:
March 19, 2020
If GRF was a true prophet, why didn’t he prophesy this [pandemic] to happen? This came like a thief in the night. They thought they would be in a place of safety before things got this bad. –Former member of PCG
God Working Through One Man at a Time is Not Scriptural:
March 19, 2020
I’ve ran into those that say God works through one man at a time and then they follow up with saying Gerald Flurry is the “one man” chosen by God to carry on HWA’s legacy.
This “God works through one man” idea is a belief that has no scriptural backing.
Why did Jesus call twelve disciples instead of just one to take over when He was gone? Why call Paul when there were twelve others to work through?
This notion only serves to convince people to stay with their cultmeister.
God can work through as many people as He wants. He is not limited just because someone thinks otherwise. –Anonymous
PCG Using Private Channel to Broadcast Their Services:
March 23, 2020
The PCG is using YouTube to broadcast their services to members, with Stephen Flurry giving the sermon. This is a private channel for members only.–Anonymous
Fear Leading to Anger Not Helpful:
March 26, 2020
GF has created much fear with his “prophecies” and threats, and from experience I know it isn’t beneficial to be ruled by fear, especially if we’ve left. But the thing is, lately is I’m seeing some people letting their fears–of whatever–turn to anger and they start blaming others, and that just isn’t helpful at all. –Exiter
Members Talking About Place of Safety:
March 30, 2020
Members have been saying they’re going to a Place of Safety. Ministers [Since GF’s Live Presentation] would have had to explain why that time isn’t now. So they’ve probably told them for now the place of safety is in their home. –S.
GF Saying This Nonsense 20 Years Ago:
April 1, 2020
I read the transcript of the live presentation GF gave. He was saying that nonsense 20 years ago. That was before we left. Nothing you can prove from the Bible. The only proof was being in the PCG at that time, and finding it in PCG literature. In other words adding to Scripture. This we know is totally unBiblical. –Former member of PCG
SF Changes His Tune According to How He Can Use This Crisis:
April 3, 2020
On the latest Trumpet broadcast SF was being sarcastic in his usual “loud” voice which rises and falls. I’ve found out he changes his tune according to how he can use this crisis. If things start looking more serious, then he throws in about “end-time prophecies are now being fulfilled.” –[name withheld]
Stephen Flurry’s Loud Voice:
April 4, 2020
I agree with the last people talking about Stephen Flurry’s statements and his “Loud Voice.” We all know that voice he uses comes from the Armstrong “Club” where they try to train you to talk like they talk and all that stuff.
I was in the PCG for 10 years and they had “Club” off and on. It was fun when you had a good minister and it was dreadful when you had a “minister” that just wanted to nit pick. –R. B.
Members Think They Will be “Translated” to Place of Safety:
April 5, 2020
Members still think they will be going to the place of safety but now they believe God will “translate” them from where they are to “there” when the time comes. –H.
Flurry Does Not Have the Love of Jesus Christ:
April 6, 2020
I’d like to add a few comments to the April 5, letter, “Members Think They Will be Translated to Place of Safety.”
The Bible does not support any such translation of the first fruits to a place of safety. In the gospels, when the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel standing in the Holy place occurs, Christ admonishes people to get out, to flee to the mountains, when Jerusalem becomes compassed with armies.
Flurry and his close family do not have enough faith in Christ to take any risk of God not performing a supernatural translation to take him and his close family to a place of safety,
Everyone knows Flurry has only one Lear Jet with capacity to carry only He and His close family members to wherever they perceive a place of safety might be, so Flurry reasons he has all bases covered. If the PCG has to flee physically, he and his family can take the sure comfortable way to fly out, and the rest of the Church has to make it on their own. Or if God does not perform a miracle to take all members out, and some or most don’t make it out, then he can say without remorse they were not truly Christians but tares among the wheat, and didn’t truly trust in God to perform a miracle for them to get out. He expects all others to trust in God while he, unlike them, puts his trust in his new toy of vanity, his personal Jet plane
Everyone also knows his personal Jet has not, and will never afford the great help needed to preach the Gospel around the World, even if he had the true Gospel.
Flurry is unlike Moses who gave up the great Governing Authority and easy rich life living as Royal family among the Egyptians. He, Moses, subjected his life to almost certain death at the hands of Pharaoh by his love and concern for desiring to free his people held in slavery by the Egyptians.
Flurry does not love his neighbor as himself, as Christ Commands. He doesn’t love the Church members who purchased his personal family jet plane, and built lavish homes for all the ministry.
The love of Jesus Christ does not dwell in him.
Flurry. like the Egyptian Pharaoh, keeps his Church congregation in total slavery to himself and his task masters as a modern day Pharaoh. Only the Spirit of God can lead them out.
When Moses led the children of Israel out of Egypt, they walked or rode horses, and camels, and all of them physically left Egypt together. God did not choose to take Israel out by translating them to the land of promise, and no indication in the Scriptures is given that any supernatural translation will be used to transport the First Fruits to a place of safety. The only place mentioned in Scripture where any translation will occur, is when, at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the first Fruits will be translated from a physical body to a spiritual body and rise to meet Christ in the air. There are many, many other comparisons of prophet’s and apostle’s lives to prove beyond any doubt that Flurry is a sheep in wolves clothing, and not a true prophet of God. –J. S.
Flurrys Re-Writing the Bible With Their Heresies:
April 6, 2020
Almost everything that SF and GF says is unbiblical. Not only has GF re-written much of what Herbert Armstrong wrote, they are now re-writing the Bible with their heresies. Neither of them understand how to teach the Bible accurately.
On Saturday SF said Jesus Christ (our Advocate) can “help us get through to the Father.” Help us get through? Both SF and GF at this time of year do nothing but focus on members’ sins. The temple veil (signifying man was separated from God by sin) was torn the moment Jesus died. Jesus does not “help us get through” to the Father. He is our Advocate (“helper, adviser, or counselor” from the Greek word parakleton) in the sense of pleading our case because He has already satisfied the demands of the Law. True Christians have already “gotten through” to the Father because they have been redeemed by His Blood. Colossians 1:14: “In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins.”
SF also said that Christ “will sit down and talk to our Father about how to remove our sins.” Such absolute nonsense. Christ already removed our sin when He died for all of them on the cross. Psalms 103:12: “As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.” [Also read: The Sin Question]
Another heretical teaching is when SF says we have “two” comforters–the Holy Spirit (which he says is the power of God) and Jesus Christ. That is totally unbiblical. Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit when He went away, back to Heaven. [Read: Is the Holy Spirit Only the Power of God?]
I don’t know where SF and GF get these ideas but it’s not from the Bible. Not only do they not have the “love of Jesus Christ” as a previous letter said, but they do not even know how to feel or show love for Christ.
Also, the Flurrys are trying to create the impression that they are growing in numbers and so they’re propping up that illusion in the minds of their members. Most watching these “live presentations” are members. –W. N.
April 7, 2020
It is amazing to me how so many countries can endure calamity upon calamity for years, even decades. So many war torn regions, places hit by drought, starvation and disease. For some it is all they have ever known. But as soon as some trial hits the United States, well, it surely now is a sign of the end times. –B. B.
Present Crisis Could Jump Start a Power Move:
April 8, 2020
For those who say this is the beginning of the Tribulation and it’s time to flee to the place of safety, I see this as a power move that could end up enslaving the sheeple by changing society toward a different order, a global government. Read 1984 by George Orwell, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley etc. The established order may flip and herald in something new and it won’t be the “wonderful world tomorrow.” This present crisis could jump start that. –T. S.
What GF and SF Emphasize and Don’t Emphasize:
April 10, 2020
GF and SF always like to use the words the “LIVING Christ.” I remember HWA continually shouting or writing in caps: “the Work of the LIVING Christ!” or “on the authority of the LIVING Christ!” They’ve always got to add that word “LIVING.” Today the main ones I hear those words (i. e., “the Living Christ”) in conjunction with, or used by, is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints–the Mormons.
I’ve never heard GF and SF say Jesus is the LIVING WORD of God, or Jesus, the LIVING WORD. And why would they? They don’t emphasize Jesus and a personal relationship with Him. They will refer to “Jesus Christ” but never say Lord Jesus, or Jesus is Lord. –[name withheld]
Comment: Read excellent 2007 letter from ex-PCGer: “Flurry’s Denial of Christ is Very Subtle.”
Stephen Flurry Was Arrogant and Unfeeling The Time I Told Him Off:
April 12, 2020
Years ago, I called Stephen Flurry on the phone when I received my mom’s “no contact” letter and basically told him off. I couldn’t believe I did it, but they inflicted so much pain and agony into our family, I had to. All he could say was, “Well I can show you the Scriptures that support this.” And I told him he was wrong and one day he would have to stand before God and be judged for this horrendous false teaching and the destruction of so many families would be on his head!! He was not phased. He acted arrogant and unfeeling.
But being able to be with my mom the last 3 mos of her life was wonderful. She was so glad to see me! Flurry will never take that away from me. –Texas
PCG’s Days of Unleavened Bread Sermons Nothing New:
April 14, 2020
From what I listened to of PCG’s Days of Unleavened Bread sermons, it was nothing new: “we caused Christ’s death; “we must repent from dead works”; “we are to be conquered by God”; “put God’s law in our mind”; “HWA said this in his booklet,” blah, blah, blah. The focus was on sin, repenting, how to get sin out, do you think of sinning? etc. Nothing else and nothing new. –Anonymous
Flurry Doesn’t Teach the Same Things as HWA Did:
April 15, 2020
Flurry many years ago changed what HWA claimed about Revelation 10:11: “And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.” HWA believed that this Scripture to “prophecy again” applied to himself after he began to visit world leaders after his heart attack.
Flurry, however, applies that Scripture to himself. This is another example of how Flurry doesn’t teach the same things as HWA did. People are easily duped into thinking that Flurry teaches the same as HWA did. New truth? I don’t think so. When I tried to point this out to my spouse [in PCG] years ago, I was shouted down and told that as I was a “Laodicean” by PCG’s reckoning of the term, what would I know about anything! Talk about blind arrogance! –Former member of WCG; impacted by PCG
My Family Was Thrown Out of PCG For Questioning Doctrines:
April 18, 2020
My family and I were thrown out of PCG in Perth, Western Australia in 1999 for the superficial reason of disobedience (but actually for questioning doctrines). Personally, I am not angry or bitter about the PCG ministry as they are the blind leading the blind and regrettably, both will end up in the horrible ditch coming upon the world in the near future. –Tom Edwards [name used with permission]
PCG Membership Numbers in Ohio and Edmond, OK:
April 18, 2020
Been a while since my last email. First of all, I think your website is of tremendous value to those waking up.
Ohio has around 100 members, give or take, and with students at college, I know I have heard numbers around 300 in Edmond, OK.
Take care, stay healthy and thanks for all that you do. –[name withheld]
How the PCG Counts Members:
April 18, 2020
When the PCG counts members they count in ones that are suspended and haven’t even attended for many years. They keep their names as members unless marked. So I am still a member in their books. A friend of mine who has been out 9 years is still a member. I wouldn’t use any info the PCG puts out. –Former disfellowshipped member of PCG [name withheld]
Fudging Attendance Numbers:
April 20, 2020
Fudging attendance numbers has been a long standing tradition in WCG. I remember being told to count people who were sick and too old to attend even when they were not there. The reason was that, “They would be here if they could.” So I guess we still count them even after they die because, you know, “They’d be here if they could.”
I would imagine that the spin off groups do much the same thing. The “they would be here if they could” reasoning always amazed me. I’m sure there were teens in the congregation that would, “be out of here if we could” so maybe we should of subtracted them. –B. B.
About 400 Members in PCG in Canada:
April 21, 2020
Canada has about 400 members, including people who have quit. –Canada
April 22, 2020
Here’s another article posted by PCG (Should You Join a Church?) in their attempt to win over people to their counterfeit “Church.” The last paragraph should be key to all who are considering joining PCG which is prove to yourself where God is. And it’s definitely not in the PCG.
As you can see, part of the link in the article indicates “Active Campaign” which really proves it’s part of their recruitment process. –[name withheld]
Comment: An analysis of this letter has been turned into an article: PCG Recruitment Article Copied From GTA’s Booklet!
Flurry Posing With Hands in the Shape of a Triangle:
April 25, 2020
Maybe this is a small thing, but Gerald Flurry almost always poses with his hands together down in front of him in the shape of a triangle. Some think of this as pagan and he must know this, but he continues to do it. Personally, it doesn’t bother me except for looking weird. But no one else seems to ever hold their hands this way in the PCG world. You would think some might copy that since Flurry does it (common to copy things in the old WCG), but apparently either they have been told not to or its just hand-positioning randomness.
Whatever the case, it looks odd. He always had his hands like this [sent pictures[ when standing and posing for a photo except with the English Royal guard with his wife. Or, when holding something in his hands. Every picture I see when he is standing and posing for the camera shows his hands positioned as this. I have seen more and almost always this position. It looks peculiar to me. –C. P.
Shameless Sermonette Exploits Members Financially:
April 27, 2020
In the recent PCG sermonette Andrew Locher continues to ask brethren to give to the “church” despite having little. What a shameless organization that could still ask their lay members for more money when they have already received $1.1 million from the U.S. government, the reason being that they are a nonprofit. They continue to berate, criticize and even label this government leadership as Jeroboam who will evict them, yet had the audacity to compare their plight to the Israelites benefiting from the Egyptians. How pathetic. –[name withheld]
Comment: One of the things Locher said in this sermonette was: “Please, please, don’t let down on your financial offerings, or your obedience to God’s financial laws. … opportunity that lies just ahead of us, we will use this 1.1 million dollars–and perhaps even more. So step out in faith, do your part, show your faith by your works, and give generously to God’s Work, and He will bless us like we can’t even imagine.”
Are We in the Tribulation?
May 6, 2020
Are we in the Tribulation? All throughout the Internet it says we are. Are God’s people going to have to go through it? Is the mark of the beast where you have to take a mark on your forehead and wrist? –S. N.
Reply: No, we are not in the (Great) Tribulation. People on earth will have to see the appearance of the Antichrist first and he will confirm a covenant with the nation of Israel and others and then annul it.
On What’s New there is a link to What is the Mark of the Beast and how do we keep from being afraid? Also, we have added a link to this video: Why Jesus’ Church Will Not Go Through the Tribulation (This is an excellent message by the late J. Vernon McGee.)
PCG Are Money-Grubbers:
May 9, 2020
In the the Friday Philadelphia PCG News May 8, 2020, I picked up on a few things.
GF says, “Members are not to share their recorded messages from pcg.church because it could “harm or slow the Work.” (Might the “harm” be because they don’t want to take a chance of the messages getting into the hands of outsiders who will find out what they’re saying and teaching?)
To show what money-grubbers they are they say: “Economic restrictions will continue to impact our income, so we are thankful to those who have gone above and beyond with their offerings.” In the U. S., “we have had several make special donations from their government stimulus money.” But “many won’t be able to do this because they have to take care of personal and family needs.” [Oh, really??] However, if they (the members) “were able to supplement their donations this way, we thank you for helping offset decreased income from co-workers and donors.” [all emp mine] –Anonymous
John Cocomise and Cal Culpepper Move:
May 11, 2020
GF has placed John Cocomise over the Eastern part of the United States, and Cal Culpepper and his wife have moved to TX. Culpepper now has the Midwest area. –TX
Another PCG Fear Campaign to Recruit Former WCG Members:
May 14, 2020
PCG’s May 13, 2020 Trumpet Brief that they send out as a newsletter is more of the same fear-inducing recruitment addressed to “weak-minded” former WCG folks, courtesy, of course, by no less than PCG’s SS henchman himself Joel Hilliker. –[name withheld]
NOTE BY ESN: This Trumpet Brief has been turned into an article: PCG’s Last Ditch Effort to Gain Former Members.
SF Sermon and GF Being “a Prophet Among Them”:
May 16, 2020
SF in a recent sermon said we are “experiencing a little bit of what captivity is like” with this lockdown. But “nothing like what is to come.” He says if we reject God’s [PCG’s] revelation, then we are “in danger of opening ourselves for satanic attack.” He says, “We have the Truth–the real important Truth!”
One of the things he said was that they (people in the world) will know there was a prophet among them [referring to GF and his Ezekiel booklet] and he mentions Ezekiel 2:5; 33:33. Those verses are talking about Ezekiel, not Gerald Flurry. Ezekiel was the only one that said Jerusalem would be destroyed. After Ezekiel was gone and after Jerusalem fell as Ezekiel prophesied, the people knew there had been a prophet among them.
It only takes one false prophecy to make a false prophet. How many false prophecies (“predictions”) has GF given? He is known to have removed words from his booklets that might incriminate him when he revises them.
Towards the beginning of GF’s Ezekiel booklet he says, “The United States is terribly different from how it was before he [HWA] died in 1986. It is ready to collapse, and it will shortly.” –[name withheld]
Comment: Read: Biblical Titles Gerald Flurry Has Appropriated for Himself.
Ezekiel Booklet Déjà Vu:
May 18, 2020
In the Ezekiel booklet GF says that HWA’s message “was not delivered in such terrifying times” like today. Yet looking back at history, the world was in terrifying times when HWA first started broadcasting. He used those frightening times to preach the end was very near, just like GF and SF are doing now.
My point is, I found an article which goes all the way back to 1934. While the article is time-consuming since there is so much info, if you scroll down to 1930’s you will see a chronological chart that HWA drew in 1934 of End-Time events. He labeled 1936 as the “end of the time of tribulation” and “the End of the Age.”
After the chart, the article lists many speculations by him in the P.T. from the 30’s and on up and there are photos of actual articles he wrote. He said God was about to punish us and that we were being warned now!
The article is: The Plain Truth about Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong Part 1. (I couldn’t find a Pt. 2)
Forward to the present. GF in his Ezekiel booklet would have us believe punishment is ready to be unleashed, but it will be after he concludes the “Watchman work.” This is déjà vu all over again, decades later. –Anonymous
Found Prophecy Teacher Who Fills the Void:
May 21, 2020
I’ve recently discovered this guy who really fills the void I had when I had to finally admit I’d lost confidence in the Church of God (in all its forms) and he really is an amazing guy. And like HWA, he has some predictions too, but ones that are very interesting–and sadly, not so good. [gives examples ] I don’t want to belabor his predictions, except to suggest him to anyone disappointed in the CoG and looking for a spiritual direction in their life that is similar to what the CoG provided. –Former member
Reply: While it’s evident you mean well, any Bible or prophecy teacher who makes even one false prediction is considered to be a false prophet, according to the Word of God. (Deut. 18:22; I John 4:1). It is common to look for someone teaching prophecy after we leave one of the HWA offshoots, but we need to be very discerning about certain teachers. The Lord Jesus Christ can lead us in the right direction and fill the void if we ask Him to.
Gerald Flurry’s Latest Sermon and the Dig:
May 22, 2020
The latest sermon from Gerald Flurry at Edstone was entitled “The Key of David Message” and mentioned Dr. Mazar and digging down to the palace of David where he says a “sensational discovery” will be made. He said there is where the open door is. [Be sure and read: Gerald Flurry’s Grand Ideas Reaping Only Struggle and Hardship (June 12, 2016 letter)]
According to GF, Revelation 3:8 “has not denied my name” means “has not denied my government.”
Flurry said they might have an opportunity to get on USA Today–a non-cable, news network and they will know next week. If so, it “could be a powerful open door” and “Maybe God is saying we will really begin to empower our message.”
He believes PCG’s membership will double by the time Christ gets here and “Every indication is that we are going to be in the wonderful world tomorrow in a decade.”
He placed an emphasis on how these discoveries are to be “a sign that Jesus Christ is about to return to this earth” and that “Christ’s coming is imminent!”
He says the dig “looks like it should open up soon.” –Insider
I Attended When Ambassador Students Were Going to Find the Lost Ark of the Covenant:
May 23, 2020
I began attending WCG in the early 80’s. Somewhere in that time frame Ambassador students were doing some kind of dig in the Holy Land. The buzz back then was they would find the lost Ark of the Covenant, Aaron’s rod would be removed from the ark and given to Herbert Armstrong, who would then do great signs and wonders with it. Like the antiquities authorities would just stand aside and let that happen. –Bradley
Comment: See: Ambassador College’s Participation in Jerusalem Dig Ends (AR#2, 1977). Also, in the sermon mentioned above (“Key of David Message”) GF had said, “Mr. Armstrong didn’t really make any spectacular discoveries like we have” but that he “paved the way for us.”
Jude Flurry Will Probably Become Ordained Someday:
May 25, 2020
I recently watched the Trumpet Daily. It was graduation time and SF bragged about his son Jude Flurry giving a senior student speech and played a clip of it as they are back in Edmond. Jude talked about how some of the SAT scores of the college students were the highest in the country and that is because they are grounded in God’s truth. It is certain he will go to HWA college and very likely become ordained as a pastor. –Ex-PCG
May 29, 2020
Recent sermon by Brian Davis centered around GF’s 2018 booklet The New Throne of David. He tells members to be loyal to God’s Family Throne and be ready to fight for it.
The New Throne of David says, “God is getting us ready to go to the place of safety where David’s throne is prophesied to be. There is a new king and a new stone.”
This “new king” is referring to Gerald Flurry. See February 27, 2018 letter: “King Flurry?”
Davis said HWA’s prayer rock is the new symbol of David’s throne and it happened around January 16, 2017.
Talk of this prayer rock is covered in the February 21, 2017 letter: “PCG to Take HWA’s Prayer Rock When They Flee” and February 28, 2017 letter: “Flurry Says PCG’s Scone of Stone is Now HWA’s Old Prayer Rock.”
The place of safety is Adullam and “God’s true church” will go there and take responsibility for David’s throne.
GF in The New Throne of David says, “We must be prepared to go to the cave of Adullam, the place of safety. … We must be willing to go anyplace and do anything God wants. We must get our minds conditioned to do that!”
Davis tells members, “Those loyal to the throne of David go to a Place of Safety while others are caught up in all the horrors. … Be ready to give our lives for it.”
According to Davis, HWA’s book Mystery of the Ages is “the only book on earth that explains the Bible.” (ESN has two critical reviews of this book.) –Insider
Sermon by Eric Burns Pounds Members About Having the Power of God:
May 30, 2020
I happened to get a hold of a sermon by Eric Burns, given last Pentecost. The title was “Follow That Spirit,”
Burns really pounded members over the head with this sermon, even carrying on many times in a mocking or chastening way.
He said HWA “knew the time was short” and then he quickly added “short for him.”
He told how “it’s not enough to have the Holy Spirit, we have to grow in grace which means growing in character.” (buzzword)
“Are you a good student? Are you learning? Are you qualified to teach others? If not, he says, you are “wasting your time.” You are not going to be saved; you don’t belong in the church; maybe God hasn’t opened your mind. If I kept talking until 1:00 in the morning, some of you still wouldn’t get it.” (Something HWA always said; buzzword.)
He says, don’t get complacent, saying, well, I got God’s spirit, isn’t that enough? “No, it’s not enough.” HWA said most of you don’t get it. [buzzword] Some were just concerned with getting saved. We have to “know that truth”; to think and act like God. To do that we “have to be studying this truth.”
He kept quoting what HWA said or did.
“God didn’t give them the Spirit just to be saved.” “It is more about the power we receive.” Talked about how in the WCG it was just about “getting baptized and getting saved; having eternal life.” That is not true. HWA taught that members wouldn’t be saved or have eternal life until the Resurrection. We didn’t use the word “saved.”
It was also odd to hear him say, “We are very glad that we have eternal life but that isn’t doing anything for us today.” HWA taught we didn’t have eternal life at this time.
He told how the emphasis is on the power of that Spirit, in overcoming that world. “We have to continually go to God and ask for that power.”
Rebuked members again by saying, “Our minds and lives are so far from God.”
Said “The law is love” and the Law “shows the love of God.” This is not true. Our article, Must we Keep the Law for Salvation? says, “The Law can only show us our sin and condemn us because we can never keep it perfectly. The Law reveals our need of a Savior and leads us to Christ. (Galatians 3:24)”
“God is creating a God out of you.” “A part of God creating Gods to be in His family. Only God can recreate Himself.” But “humans will have to participate in it.” Ended with how “We will help the rest of the world to share to be God as God is and be in that God family.” (buzzword) Mike, in his Final Exit Letter to Craig Williams of PCG said “God is immutable and CANNOT change!!!!!” and there is a footnote #2 beside those words which is explained more in the footnote.
Trumpet Program Stirring up More Fear Than Hope:
June 2, 2020
I watched the June 1 Trumpet on “Anarchy.” SF has been reporting on the daily news lately and focusing on all the looting and riots going on. He showed many disturbing scenes of violence and chaos–even from past years. While he may be giving and showing accurate info, he is placing more fear in people than hope.
SF carried on throughout the entire video about these problems in society and how “all this violence was prophesied in the Bible” and it is like “in the days of Noah.”
Then he throws in the “solution” as he always does (obey God’s law, etc.).
He added “we will need God’s special protection to survive.” Throughout all these scenes of violence and telling us what is coming, he says our “hope” is only Christ returning because “human survival is at stake.” All this fear steers one to listen to more videos and order more literature so one might escape. –[name withheld]
SF & GF Saying Violence and Anarchy Going to Get Much Worse:
(2nd email from person above)
June 2, 2020
SF and GF continually say that violence and anarchy is going to get much worse and they let us know they “have been forecasting it for over 20 years.”
On Wikipedia under List of Riots there is a very long list of riots that took place in the world from the “17th century and earlier” all the way up to 2020. The page is so long it would take a long time to count all of them along with the references. Then the page links off to every kind of riot you can think of that happened from the 18th century to present, including ethnic riots, food riots, race riots, etc. Most of these riots involved looting, vandalism, injuries and violence. So how can violence get any worse? It’s always been around. –[name withhold]
SF Doesn’t Have a Clue:
June 3, 2020
SF doesn’t have a clue about anything except his own agenda. The violence this time is nothing but raging insanity and anarchy that has been organized and orchestrated by certain extremist groups. If it goes on, it could destroy the country. –T. S.
Dangerous Lion’s Den:
June 4, 2020
I left PCG several years ago and was so glad to find your site. One time while I was attending, Fred Dattolo screamed at me at the top of his lungs for something I had not done and everyone heard it. Tim Oostendarp was the one who had accused me. I was very afraid of them while I was there. Everyone was watching everyone else. I could not wait to come home and hated to go to the Feasts. I felt very guilty about this, however. Anyway, I e-mailed my resignation and asked them to cross me off of all their lists as well as magazines, etc. I am very happy that your network exists and I am finding out so much. I had some good friends in PCG and, of course, they would not speak to me. So I pray that they will begin to question many things and get out of that dangerous lion’s den. May God bless and keep you working to help us all. I have been checking out and researching your site constantly. –Former member of PCG
Hypocrites in PCG:
June 5, 2020
Don’t you find it funny that Gerald Flurry and his minister minions always lecture the sheep to not be afraid to give up their lives for God; and to not follow man but follow God; to always keep God’s commands and the law; and to only obey when it does not contradict God’s law. Yet a simple coronavirus derailed their meeting together and even to the point of not being able to observe their Sabbath “convocations” and the Feasts.
Are they not all courageous enough to defy the law of the land to follow the law of God? Where is all the talk about not being afraid of losing their lives just to be able to follow God? Not even the top dogs at HQ have the righteousness to do that. So, in a way, by staying in their homes and following the coronavirus guidelines, they showed their cowardice and followed men and not God.
Hypocrites! They praise God with their lips and confess obedient yet openly disobey Him. –S.
Screaming at Members is Like the Nazis:
June 5, 2020
PCG ministers screaming at members is a common occurrence in PCG and is like the Nazis. Here are two letters I found on your site which sum that up: Scary How Much PCG Resembles Nazi Germany in the 1930’s and Similarities to Nazism in PCG. –Former member
Members May Be Less Afraid to Meet Since WHO Says It Is Very Rare to Spread Coronavirus If Asymptomatic:
June 9, 2020
Since the news came out yesterday from a top scientist from WHO saying spreading the coronavirus is “very rare if you are asymptomatic,” I wonder if PCG members will be less afraid to meet for gatherings? There are several articles out now, but the first I found was: While Asymptomatic Spread of Coronavirus Can Happen, the WHO Now Says It’s “Very Rare.”
Within that article is a link to a longer article with a video entitled: Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says.
As expected, the words from this scientist quickly created a stir and drew skepticism from certain ones, so WHO clarified their words today by saying they were “referring to a small subset of studies.” I hope we will get to the bottom of the truth soon. –T. S.
Stephen Flurry’s Voice Bombards Your Senses:
June 11, 2020
The April 3rd and 4th post about SF’s loud voice is right on. It is also jarring when it gets high and loud. He definitely isn’t a good “news broadcaster.” I’ve only watched him occasionally [on the Trumpet Daily] which is way too much. After awhile, his voice bombards your senses. He recently said (and caps signify when his voice got very loud): “We KNOW that the return of Jesus Christ is NEAR!!” –[name withheld]
GF’s Crackpot Delusions:
June 11, 2020
GRF in a sermon encouraged the sheep to not lose their “Jerusalem vision.” One of their goals in this is to have some kind of added prestige in being part of digging up the bones of the king and, who knows, the Ark of the Covenant. When they first planned and bought Edstone, their goal then was to be able to find the Ark as well just in case any dig in Ireland makes progress. And, of course, who could forget the much awaited Stone of Scone that they expected to fall in their laps for them to take to the Place of Safety. But we all know what happened. GRF realized the vanity of that failed prophecy of his and instead manufactured his own Stone–voila, the prayer rock of HWA. Since GF was able to do that without shame, why doesn’t he just make up his own Ark? Why not just dig up a couple of bones and present them as bones of the king?
Ridiculous that anyone buys GF’s crackpot delusions. –[name withheld]
Jerusalem Will Not Be a Feast Site This Year:
June 13, 2020
PCG has announced that they cannot offer Jerusalem as a Feast site for 2020 due to coronavirus and “other factors.” They said they hope to do so in 2021. –Anonymous
Countless Others Still Need Your Site:
June 19, 2020
You are doing good work as always. There are countless others who still need what you’re putting out there. Thanks. –[name withheld]
Bible Study by Stephen Flurry on “Be Not Afraid”:
June 20, 2020
A Friday night Bible Study (about l hr and 30 min long) was given by SF not too long after the lockdown measures were lifted and when the looting had begun.
This brief summary won’t cover when SF’s voice got loud and high (which is really a turn-off).
He started reading from John 11:7 and told some things that GF had said–how the disciples had feared for Christ’s life when he said let us go to Judea and they wondered why Christ would want to go there; it’s “too dangerous.” Told how GF said “Christ didn’t decide where to go or not to go based on how dangerous it was. He acted according to the Work [buzzword] that needed to be done. … That’s always the objection, what is the Work that needs to be done?”
Mentioned that GF talked about how “sometimes we have into walk into harm’s way because something needs to be done”; talked about having “faith and courage to do that.” He said, “We know now from Ezekiel 4 and 5 that when the worst of it happens in our cities God is going to lift us out of these nations and take us off to a place of safety.”
Told how Paul said in Acts 20:22-24 “none of these things move me, neither did I count my life dear to me.” We all want to go out fighting, be found doing, finishing the Work [buzzword]; fighting for God.
Talks about people “doing anything and everything they can to just extend their physical life a couple more days.” Says it shows how hopeless it is. Hopelessness and despair. Talked about “what kind of life is it if you are 75 and ‘I gotta get on that ventilator.’ ” Says: “90% of people who get on them die; so if it extends their life for another day or a week, or what if it is a month, two months? Seems like there’s a better way to go out [laughs at this point] –a better way to go out in the fight as opposed to just hanging on to one or two more gasps of air.”
Says what we really need to be focusing in on is the spiritual fight. Goes through Ephesians 6 concerning the armor of God. “We gotta stand against this spiritual wickedness.”
Says, “We’re going to be surrounded by the wicked; like we’re walking on a bed of scorpions. So we gotta be ready.”
Talked about the helmet in verse 17. “You will need protection for your head, your mind, so you can think straight.”
“Satan has a sword, too, of lies and flattering. Keep grounded in the Truth.” [buzzword]
Are Members Meeting Since Death Rate is Lower?
June 21, 2020
With all news PCG is supposed to be “in the know” about, surely they’ve heard about how the CDC recently confirmed there were extremely low Covid 19 death rates. I checked and the CDC has already conveniently removed their words about it from their site. (Just as WHO backtracked on what they said about it being rare to spread coronavirus if asymptomatic.) [See June 9 letter: “Members May Be Less Afraid to Meet”] However, the article still comes up in search engines like Bing (not google as they are hiding the results) if you make your search words “CDC confirms extremely low covid 19 death rate” or put “Horowitz” in front of those words.
Part of the article says:
“The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.”
If you want to save the time in doing your own search, one place it can be found is on Blaze Media.
So why are members afraid to meet for services? Or are some of them meeting and wearing their silly masks? (which aren’t healthy to wear all day anyway according to Dr. Russell Blaylock, M.D.) [two videos are also on this site regarding masks]
I know I’m going against the grain telling this, but where is SF’s reporting on all this since he is supposed to know so much? Oh, I forgot, he’s too busy making people afraid of race riots and other world events that will herald in the Great Tribulation. –A. R.
PCG Running Headlong Into Disillusionment:
June 25, 2020
Not too long ago, SF on his Trumpet Daily was showing a number of clips from Trump’s rally in OK. I don’t know if this was for the benefit of “those who couldn’t make it” or what his purpose was. Whatever, it was overkill because the rally was already on youtube [with over a million views]. I have been noticing that PCG with their Trumpet Daily, Key of David, Philadelphia Trumpet “news” cannot begin to compare to HWA’s Plain Truth and World Tomorrow from former years. These men simply lack the charisma of HWA and lack the attention-grabbing articles. Looking at old PT’s and WT programs, one can easily see this. PCG is a broken record, hopelessly trying to copy HWA. They extract whatever news they can from current events that they can use to steer their audience towards the “end of the age” in order to steal their money. I see them running headlong into disillusionment as more people wise up. PCG is a failing organization. –[name withheld]
Using Mind Control:
June 26, 2020
HWA knew how to use his charisma and salesmanship–but he also knew how to use about mind control. Let’s not forget–HWA was a very evil man and so were many of his evangelists. The depth of WCG’s dark and nefarious past will most likely never be known. PCG emphasizes HWA at every opportunity but they also have some very evil people in their upper echelons. These scenes of death and destruction that were played over and over on the Trumpet Daily are being used as part of mind control and overwhelms the senses. They know what they’re doing. –T. S.
Gerald Flurry Says Satan Stirs up Hatred:
June 26, 2020
In the June 23 Trumpet there is an article that declares “Satan is behind the hatred for Jews (2 Corinthians 4:4).” The article goes on to say, “Satan can stir up vicious hatred,” Trumpet editor in chief Gerald Flurry explains in his book The Key of David. “Most people who hate the Jews don’t even know why they do. Can we see Satan behind such lies and hatred?”
Well, Gerald Flurry can stir up “vicious hatred” towards those not of his cult. My ex-husband told me once that he “hates being married to a Laodicean,” referring to me as being one, as I was still attending WCG. Even after I eventually stopped going to the WCG, I was still criticized by him for not going at least to the WCG!
For several years, it was nearly every week after he had attended Flurry’s PCG services that he would return home to me and verbally blast me with almost a hatred, after being whipped up into a rage against me and all “Laodiceans” after hearing a tape from Gerald Flurry being played at services. This was in the 1990s. I dreaded being there when he got home and would often go out for the evening elsewhere.
Is it any wonder that when I looked at the “fruit” of that cult with him, I would know that it was not of God. “You shall know them by their fruits” I would tell him. –Australia
NOTE by ESN: There another article in the same June 23 Trumpet “Be Not Afraid” that we have turned into an article entitled: Stephen Flurry Article on Fear Winds Down the Wrong Road (also linked from What’s New)
Mental Chains Enslave Those in PCG:
June 29, 2020
As always, thanks for the great work you are doing of exposing that evil system which calls themselves the Philadelphia Church of God. You are saving people through your work. I am one of those you saved. One cannot comprehend the strength of the mental chains that totally enslaves one who is in the PCG. ESN has helped me escape from those chains. Presently I am not in any religious group and prefer it that way. Since being disfellowshipped from the PCG, I cannot listen to other religious groups and their interpretations of the Scriptures without wanting to vomit.
What keeps many in the PCG, even though they hear something said that does not gel with what Scripture says, is the fact that the PCG ministry teaches that ministers may “Loose and Bind.” What Rot. It is a fact that Gerald Flurry thinks that those gullible members who sit before him, are just “Vegetables.” [Read: Excerpts From Gerald Flurry’s Sermons – Or Flurry’s Vegetable Patch]
Have a lovely day, wonderful week, and stunning year.
Your friend, –A. F., South Africa
PCG Eager to Bring in the New World Order:
July 5, 2020
PCG hasn’t talked about the NWO (which isn’t a conspiracy theory) in a long time. Most know that the words “New World Order” do not have a good connotation.
Back in 2008 there was a Trumpet article “New World Order” yet the words NWO are not found in the article, except for telling how President George Bush Sr. said those words back in 1991. Same thing with the 2017 Trumpet article entitled “Europe, China, Japan and the New World Order.” Besides the title, no mention of the words NWO.
The words New World Order are now One World Government. An example is an article in the 2011 Philadelphia Trumpet entitled, “One World Government: Impossible—Yet Inevitable!” One quote: “…the solution to world ills and the establishment of world peace is possible only if all nations are brought together under a supreme, all-powerful, world-ruling government!”
Another example was seen in 2016 when the Trumpet Daily aired a program called, “The Coming World Government.”
Interestingly, I found a very old booklet by Herbert Armstrong, published by the Radio Church of God, where he used the words New World Order. It’s in: “Bible Study Quarterly – For Home Study and The Bible Class – The Kingdom” where he correlates the Kingdom of God to the New World Order. The following quote is found in the first paragraph under Introduction:
“…you will come to a better understanding of the coming KINGDOM OF GOD — the coming NEW WORLD ORDER which shall rule the world for the next thousand odd years instead of the Order Hitler vainly sought to build — you will come to a better understanding of GOD’S PLAN — of salvation“
One World Government equals New World Order! How much plainer can we get? And it is clear that HWA taught it. NWO will not be the Wonderful World Tomorrow! It is the Beast System and will include the Mark of the Beast. I was stunned when I put this together. –[name withheld]
Did Gerald Flurry Have More Than One Arrest?
July 6, 2020
I graduated from Ambassador College. My father is a member of the PCG.
I had a conversation with [name removed] who was Gerald Flurry’s boss in Oklahoma. I questioned him on why Flurry was not dealt with after his arrest in Oklahoma City. His reply was “which time?”
Evidently, GF had more than one run in with the law. Is there any way to check on this with the authorities in Oklahoma or do a computer search on his full criminal record? If you would or could, I would benefit from the full story. Thank you, –R. S.
Reply: The police officer we talked to said the only thing on file with Flurry is the drunken driving report at the University of Central Oklahoma. No other reports. There are, however, other things on file dealing with PCG such as when he tried to scam an elderly lady out of a huge amount of money in 2014 and a couple of vandalism reports made about their building or their cars. No arrests were made on those.
No International Feast Transfers This Year:
July 7, 2020
International Feast transfers this year are prohibited. The only exceptions are Canadians who want to attend U.S. sites, or those outside the U.S. who have dual citizenship and consult with the appropriate PCG regional office. –Anonymous
GF Sermon About Celtic Throne:
July 7, 2020
GF gave a sermon recently where he talked about PCG’s new Irish dance production called Celtic Throne (performed on June 30, July 1, July 5 and July 7).
Following are clips from the sermon:
“We have the throne of David and that is to unite the world and even the universe!”
“This little church [PCG] is showing the whole world an amazing example because we do love each other and we do work to solve our problems. … We do have God’s love and God’s unity and we have to demonstrate that to the world and we do.” [Read about GF’s no contact ruling to see how PCG shows love]
“And very soon as all this falls apart… we begin to rise up and become more noticed than ever before. As the nations of Israel go down, spiritual Israel [See offsite article that shows the church is not “spiritual Israel”] goes up, at least to a great extent until we’re cast out. And why do you suppose they would cast us out? They couldn’t bear the message.”
“That’s what the concert tomorrow is all about. [i. e., it’s about the New Throne of David] …. We’re going to unite the world!”
“Satan is always going to be coming after us if God allows it.”
[laughs a little] “When we went to Australasia, the FBI denied my Visa for no reason at all. … It is amazing the FBI knew about us and wanted to harass us. Because they don’t like our message; they don’t like what we say. They don’t like it when we especially criticize them, and do what God tells us to do. [The FBI knew about HWA, too. Read: “FBI Files on Herbert Armstrong“]
“We [PCG] have peace because we obey God.”
“One day they will direct us out of here and we’ll know that that will all have a good ending for us and not for them. We’re going to be the last people standing.”
“Make sure we are doing everything we can to unite this church. We are spiritual Israel! It’s where the name of Israel is!”
[Refers to Isaiah 16] “We have a throne. This New Throne of David! The Celtic concert is all about that. It is about to be here on this earth.”
Brad Macdonald gave a Bible study on June 26 to “explain the spiritual message behind the Celtic Throne Irish dance production,” which amounted to the spiritual message being “The New Throne of David.” [Refer to May 29 letter above, “PCG Sermon ‘Loyalty to God’s Family Throne’ which talks about GF’s booklet The New Throne of David and the place of safety.]
PCG is Pushing New Royal Throne to the Public in Trumpet Article:
July 8, 2020
In the July 6 Trumpet, Daniel Greene states that Prince Charles had met Herbert Armstrong. Prince Charles had no idea who HWA was. HWA only got himself invited to meet Prince Charles because he had donated a huge amount of money (which was no doubt tithe payers money from members who thought that they were helping to “preach the gospel”). The money donated was to support something to do with Shakespeare.
[Note: This story is is mentioned in “Honey, I Shrunk the Church” (New Times Los Angeles), December 4, 1997, where it says HWA “once bought an introduction to Prince Charles with a charitable contribution to the Royal Opera House in London.”]
HWA gave big donations, and that wouldn’t be from his salary, to big-note himself and get a “foot in the door” to what he considered to be important people.
HWA did not tell Prince Charles and Margaret Thatcher of any moral decline when he met them briefly.
Below is a copy and paste of part of this online Trumpet article:
Has COVID-19 Ended the Queen’s Reign?
Royal biographer claims the Queen’s reign is ‘effectively over.’
By Daniel Greene • July 6
Editor in chief of the Plain Truth (predecessor to the Trumpet), Herbert W. Armstrong, long proclaimed a message from God to the British and American peoples, including to the British royal family directly. He met with Prince Charles and then British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Mr. Armstrong warned of the moral decline we now see occurring in the British and American peoples, including in the British royal family. Multiple painful divorces have split the family in recent decades, further demonstrating a decline in morals.
How dare the author of this recent Trumpet article say that “multiple painful divorces have split the family in recent decades, further demonstrating a decline in morals.” It is the very PCG itself that has caused multiple painful divorces, dividing families. Does this then mean that the PCG itself demonstrates its own decline in morals, such as breaking up loving families and dishonoring parents, etc.?
PCG Says Christ is About to Return:
July 12, 2020
PCG is constantly rehashing the same theme and it always centers around “the Elijah” (i. e., HWA). They take words out of their articles from years ago, revise them, change them here and there, and present them as a new booklet, a new King of David (KOD), or new Trumpet program. A Pivotal Sign of the End Time is one such article which has been around for awhile, even going back to 1995 when it was called “Elijah Has Come Already” by Stephen Flurry (KOD reprint series).
Elijah (referring to Herbert Armstrong) was supposed to be a sign that the world “had entered the end time.”
Gerald Flurry in Malachi’s Message (MM), in talking about the curse in Malachi 4:6, says the curse is “loss of eternal life; destroying the inhabitants of His church, who refuse to build a family around God’s Elijah and God’s instructions” (p. 121). Now does that make any sense?
PCG has a need to be dramatic. Gerald Flurry on the July 10 KOD program entitled “The Most Pivotal End-Time Bible Prophecy” said, “Jesus Christ is about to return. A life-saving event that took place decades ago is absolute proof of this.”
And what was this “life-saving event” that was absolute truth? Elijah (Herbert Armstrong) that came and restored all things. The Elijah that paved the way. According to GF, Matthew 17 about the transfiguration of Christ tied right in with the arrival of an Elijah (HWA) in the end time, just before Christ returns. “This is a sign to the world that Jesus Christ’s return is imminent.”
If this isn’t foolish, or blasphemous, enough, there was a radio episode aired on July 11 on Trumpet Hour, hosted by Joel Hilliker, where PCG is bold enough to title the program: The Most Pivotal End-Time Prophecy Has Been Fulfilled!”
Below the program it says, “Many people have made false predictions about the end of the world based on what they thought about prophecy.” (would this by any chance refer to HWA, or maybe GF?) “If you prove this from your Bible [i. e., about the Elijah being HWA], you can know that we are in the end time–and that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ is almost here.”
Philippine Feast Site Changed:
July 13, 2020
According to one source, PCG Philippines Feast site is now at Marriott Hotel in Clark, Philippines. Their total population there is only 340 which includes baptized, unbaptized, teens & children. –Insider
GF Going Deeper Into Wild Ideas:
July 15, 2020
GF believes that God is “cultured”; that He appreciates and enjoys the finest things in life of the highest quality and therefore, so should we. (This notion came from Herbert Armstrong.)
He uses the word “culture” over and over again: true culture; God culture; throne room culture; God family culture, etc. Did our Lord and Savior have culture? Did He live with riches and the finest of everything? Can we associate the word “culture” with God? This is a perversion of the Scriptures!
Another word that is used more than ever is “royal”: royal government; royal Church; royal hope / royal gift (i. e., New Throne of David); royal law of God; royal standard; royal education; royal responsibilities. I know this is sickening but those are all buzzwords familiar to members.
GF has allowed himself to go deeper and deeper into wild ideas. The whole PCG is sinking into a dark chasm.
It would be my pleasure to soak all his literature in gasoline and set it on fire. There’s been enough damage to peoples’ lives because of those writings. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Note from ESN: Read: Herbert Armstrong: The Rich Apostle
How Prince Charles Could Have Replied to HWA:
July 16, 2020
If HWA had lectured Prince Charles about his personal morality [see July 8 letter above], the Prince could have replied: “Well, I never lectured the British people about divorce and remarriage. Neither did I then secretly marry a divorced woman–and end up divorcing her myself! Nor did I end up breaking off all connections with my son, who was once heir to the throne.” HWA blusters, denies it all, heads for the plane home, and tries to cancel his generous cheque to the Prince’s charity. I’ve never once heard Flurry, Pack, Meredith, and the rest of them admit that HWA did marry a divorced woman and then divorce her–even though the second Mrs Armstrong [Ramona] was actually mentioned in the Worldwide News.
I’ve always wondered whether PCG members are strictly forbidden to use the Internet–they’d get a big surprise if they read all the editions of the Plain Truth from the 1930s and 1940s–particularly HWA’s articles about Hitler being still alive or waiting to be resurrected by the Pope. –D. K.
Will Flurry Lighten up on His No-Contact Position?
July 17, 2020
Is there any word out there to indicate Flurry will lighten up on his no contact position or even change it? Thanks. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Reply: No. If he changed it, he would have to admit he was wrong about “Laodiceans” and also that he was wrong about the Scriptures he has twisted in order to implement this. Abusive leaders never sincerely apologize or change a ruling they’ve enforced unless there is very good reason for it, such as avoiding increasing lawsuits. If they do modify something, they have to lie in order to justify the changes.
GF’s Reckless Spending:
July 18, 2020
Heard several of the letters read that PCG supposedly received for their “Celtic Throne” show. I have to wonder if the most of them were made up. They just sounded “too gushing,” too much over the top in enthusiasm, for people (even young people) who are oppressed and exploited. I know this was the case years ago with the many letters published in the Plain Truth back when I was in WCG. Just didn’t sound realistic. I’m sure the large $1.1 million stimulus check PCG received helped enormously in putting this show on, not to mention paying all the professionals they hired. I see no end in sight of Gerald Flurry’s reckless spending while members do without and suffer quietly in their own homes. I wonder what the world would think if they knew that? If they really knew the misery that is in “God’s true Church.” –Anonymous
Easy to Get Sucked into PCG:
July 21, 2020
My cousin almost got sucked into PCG. I was talking on the phone to her and she was telling me about this program on TV that she liked, and carrying on about it. I asked her, “Is this the Key of David?” She said, yes. I told her that was my son’s cult. She said, “Oh!” I said, “Now you see how easy it is to get sucked into it, don’t you?” She had been receiving the Trumpet, too, but she said she’d throw the rest of them in the trash when they came in, where they belonged. –B. W.
Questions About HWA’s Ministry / What is GF up To?
July 22, 2020
Dear ESN, could I please ask a couple of questions?
In your opinion, were the “early” years of the ministry of HWA and his Radio COG an honest effort and outreach? Did his “cult” grow out of an honest beginning; and then later, with fame and success, he became an idol unto himself? Or was it an effort to hoodwink vulnerable people from the very beginning?
And then lastly. What is Gerald Flurry up to? He’s a little ahead of his own skis it seems. The royal family is no longer the “royal family” and the Queen is no longer “on the throne.”
The Stone of Scone [Stone of Destiny] has been replaced by the stone of Oregon and HWA’s “prayer rock” is now the Throne of David?
And he’s really been talking quite boldly about a “place of safety” doctrine, even on his Key of David TV program.
Where is the place of safety? Do we have another WACO on its way in Oklahoma?
What is the PCG up to really?
What do we really know about Flurry?
You guys are the experts on this. Please share your thoughts.
Thank you. Peace & Prayers, –S.
Reply: HWA wanted to be rich and successful and tried one thing after another without success. When he realized he could make money selling religion, that’s the path he took. The article Worldwide Church of God and Herbert Armstrong (up to “The Empire Declines”) covers much of his early history.
HWA’s WCG became more abusive and controlling after about 1955 or 1956, but it appears that his ministry was never an honest outreach and that he was a narcissistic sociopath from the very beginning.
As far as Gerald Flurry, he seems to be going off the deep end in his pursuit of success, control and money.
The place of safety is now supposed to be in Adullam. There’s even talk that GF will be some sort of King in the place of safety. More is found in GF’s book The New Throne of David, 2018:
This whole thing is idiotic.
I doubt if PCG will be going anywhere. If things get really bad in this country, the leaders will be more interested in saving their own hides, if they can.
Surprised When Former Friend in PCG Sent Link to Celtic Throne:
July 23, 2020
I used to be a member of the PCG but I have not been part of the organization for many years. A former friend who is still in PCG somewhat surprisingly shared a link to the Celtic Throne production (it lasted about two hours and was up for a few days). The dancing was pretty good, although after a while the dance moves and the music all started to look/sound the same. I guess Irish dancing is repetitive like that. From a messaging standpoint, this was definitely a “marketing” piece that furthered some of the doctrinal messages of the PCG. During the entire production there was a throne with spotlights on it in the corner, with lion’s heads on either side and a stone under it. I’m guessing this was either a representation of, or the actual stone that Gerald Flurry is now calling the “new throne.” The play bill that named all the participants (no longer up) indicated that basically every youth in that production were all children of members. Both the Celtic Throne production and Armstrong Auditorium have their own dedicated YouTube channels, which I’m guessing the subscriber count is mostly members.
As I understand the no-contact policy, they are very strict about its application. Was this some kind of sanctioned, last ditch recruitment effort towards wayward, former members? I’m curious if any other former members also experienced this. –Former PCG member
Reply: We don’t know if anyone else received a link like that. But the Celtic Throne production was to make outsiders “curious about the church.” Irish dancing started several years ago in PCG. Read: Edmond Elite Youth Being Taught How to Riverdance (Irish Dancing (Oct 1, 2013 letter). Injuries with this type of dancing are not uncommon. See article: Injuries With Irish Dance. So we will never know how many have, or will end up sustaining injuries.
Celtic Throne Was Underwhelming:
July 23, 2020
I watched the Celtic throne and it was quite underwhelming. The score as written by Brian Byrne was good and there were some skilled dancers. The rest was quite amateurish. –M.
Joel Hilliker Says Herbert Armstrong Is the Restrainer in II Thessalonians:
July 24, 2020
In a Bible Study that Joel Hilliker gave to the SEP campers (“The Heroic, Courageous Little Book” about Malachi’s Message) I was outraged at how he told these youth that Herbert Armstrong was the one who “restrained” (KJV “letteth”) in II Thessalonians 2:7: “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [restraineth] will let, until he be taken out of the way.”
Hilliker said that he (HWA) restrained the evil force [i. e., Tkach, the “man of sin”] who was taking over “God’s Church” until he (HWA) was “taken out of the way” in order to “test these people to see if they loved His truth.” Jesus said He is the TRUTH!
GF (like HWA) likes to pick commentaries that he can twist to align with PCG teaching. In GF’s Malachi’s Message to God’s Church Today he chose the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary for verse 7 in II Thessalonians and re-interpreted the “he” (that withholdeth) to mean Herbert Armstrong!
Reading the context of this Scripture, along with other Bible commentaries, one can discern that this verse is talking about holding back lawlessness in the world, not in the WCG and “that Wicked” is the Antichrist to come, not Joseph Tkach! The Bible Knowledge Commentary gives good reasons why the “restrainer” isn’t: (1) the Roman Empire; (2) Satan; (3) human governments; and then explains why the Holy Spirit is the only one with sufficient (supernatural) power to do the restraining. (The neuter word is sometimes used of the Holy Spirit.)
Yet, according to Hilliker (and GF), the “restrainer” isn’t the Holy Spirit (which is the commonly held view) but Herbert Armstrong!! This should come as no surprise since HWA is constantly elevated and spoken of more in PCG than Christ!
Hilliker told the youth how HWA “single-handedly” held all this evil back because he was a “warrior”; “would stand up to anybody”; and “he knew he had the power of God behind him.” (Was he really all these things??)
PCG wickedly twists words in Scripture to mean whatever they want and places WCG and PCG in the Bible when they aren’t even there! Hilliker told the campers to study the booklets and literature they had been given, and one of them was Malachi’s Message. PCG will have to answer someday for putting these lies into people, especially into the minds of the youth.
Here is another lie in Malachi’s Message by Gerald Flurry (copyright 1990, 1995, 1999, 2004, 2008):
“Baptized members of God’s Church are the ONLY ONES WHO CAN HAVE A TRULY SPIRITUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD—the rest of the world doesn’t have God’s Holy Spirit.” [emp. GF]
I thought I had heard all the lies there were in PCG, but this went over the top.
May God open the minds of those blinded souls in this cult and lead them out. –[name withheld]
Brian Davis “Educates” SEP Campers on the Sacred Name Movement:
July 26, 2020
Brian Davis gave a Bible Study to SEP campers called “The Truth About the Sacred Name Movement.” This subject has been on our Q&A for awhile, so it’s anybody’s guess why he chose to talk about this to young people. It seems unlikely they would be interested.
He started off by telling funny stories, especially about how Mr. Burns hurt his leg by, or on, the obstacle course at camp and later was bleeding, and Davis was later there with his shirt unbuttoned, and he kept laughing about it. Ha ha ha. I never could figure out what was so funny. Also, I don’t know what was wrong with Davis’ throat but he was continually clearing it, which was a big distraction.
Since HWA is brought into all of PCG’s sermons and Bible studies, Davis said that HWA looked into this movement back in the 30’s. And, “If you really know God’s Word and look to the ‘End-time Elijah’ (HWA, not Christ), you won’t be blown about by every wind of doctrine, blah, blah….”
What was almost hilarious was that Davis kept saying things that could actually apply to PCG. Notice a few:
“You can be sucked into something if you are not careful.” [Reminded me of the testimony: I Almost Got Sucked into the Swirl of PCG]
“I’ve found them to be “very self-righteous.”
“They are very, very wrong.”
“It can be very deceptive.”
“You have got to careful about these doctrines.”
He talked about “cunning craftiness”; “lies that the devil is spinning all the time…”
Again, I wondered if he was talking about PCG?
He told how GF said if you have a copy of that Bible (produced by the Sacred Name group), “then you should throw it away.” (How about throwing GF’s literature away?) This reminded me of the 2011 letter by one former PCG member who burnt all of PCG stuff in a big bon-fire and it took him 90 minutes: “Burnt All of Gerald Flurry’s Literature.”
Hopefully, more in PCG will begin to question these things and walk away from PCG. –Anonymous
Read: Brian Davis Gets Big Laugh Out of ESN Site (July 21, 2012 letter)
Brian Davis Clearing His Throat:
July 28, 2020
I was reading the letter about Brian Davis distracting people with his constant throat clearing. [see July 26]
He has been doing that ever since I first heard him speak in 2006. I personally think he does it because he is totally full of crap so he has to constantly clear it out of his throat so he can talk.
He is surely one of the most arrogant people on planet earth. That is my opinion. –Former PCG member
Helping a Lot of People:
July 31, 2020
Keep up the awesome work. You’re helping a lot of people. –Anonymous
PCG Planting Disinfo on the Web:
August 10, 2020
PCG is letting people have false information to discredit what’s on the internet. In other words, they are planting disinfo here and there that isn’t true. For instance, PCG members actually are meeting in KY–Richmond, KY–twice a month. This doesn’t surprise me, knowing the conniving liars that they are. –[name withheld]
Trumpet is Negative:
August 17, 2020
As usual, the latest Trumpet is negative without any hope. And Gerald Flurry’s sour-puss face inside the cover doesn’t help matters any. It’s the same old claptrap. Another reader mentioned this before, but their photos are extremely disturbing, especially this issue showing tearing down statues. I remember many years ago when I first received some of PCG’s booklets. I noticed right off how depressing and full of dread they were. It definitely made me feel sick to my stomach. I especially remember the booklet on Lamentations. That one was horrid. I finally told them to take me off their mailing list and not send any more! I always feel much better when I don’t look at any of their garbage. –H. E.
Ministers in PCG Act Like Hitler:
August 23, 2020
I don’t have much experience with any of the Armstrong groups except the PCG and it looks like at this point in time the PCG commits 3 times more offenses than all the other groups put together. There sure seems to be lots of” Bad Press” on the PCG.
There are many “ministers” in the PCG that act like Adolf Hitler if you even disagree with them on any point (whether opinion or doctrine):
Fred Dattollo, Cocomise [Jeremy, Jim or John], Wayne Turgeon, Brian Davis, Winston Davis, Cal Culpepper, just to name a few.
–Former PCG member
August 24, 2020
Brad Macdonald wrote a propaganda article about Philadelphia Youth Camp (“Wanted: Healthy, Vibrant Teens!” July 7,2020 ). He wrote about the “wonderful” experience PCG teens (age 13-19) will have if they attend. In it he not only went through what teens will experience (endure) at camp for 3 weeks but he put the blame on parents if they don’t turn out the kind of teens he described.
They start the day with a “15-minute calisthenics warmup before breakfast.” During the day their time will be “filled” with sports instruction on every sport imaginable.
It was alarming when he said: [bolding mine]
“In the evenings they often engage in other taxing activities, including sports games, a track and field event and camp dances. And if all that activity isn’t strenuous enough, much of it will occur in daytime temperatures that hover in the mid-90s. … spending six to seven hours a day out in the sizzling Oklahoma weather—chasing balls, paddling across lakes and climbing ropes…”
Yet he says this is “glorious and honorable” to God and quotes Prov. 20:29.
How many teens will end up suffering from heat exhaustion, or injuries?
Next he goes on a rant about “strong, healthy teenagers have become a dying breed” and they “display embarrassingly little strength and vitality!”
After he says the majority of teens today have poor physical health and display “embarrassingly little strength and vitality,” he puts the blame square on the shoulders of the parents for the condition of their teen: too much chicken nuggets and french fries; the Internet, video games, lazing on the couch. The parents are “the ones failing to cultivate within our teens the desire to live a healthy and active lifestyle.”
To keep everything “in balance” Macdonald adds “similarly strenuous mental and spiritual exercises” one of which is “Bible classes” (which are sure to be reading GF’s literature) and listening to haranguing sermons.
The reality of this camp and the horrific parts are going to be left out. PYC is patterned after SEP (WCG’s summer camp) and if one remembers what it was like attending that, they have only a hint of what PYC will be like.
This article was draining to say the least. –[name withheld]
Comment: We are presently posting stories about both camps. If anyone has a new story, please submit it to ESN.
PCG Meeting Every Sabbath:
August 24, 2020
Someone told me that the PCG is meeting in Richmond, KY every Sabbath. Jim Cocomise is the minister. –Anonymous
Family Exits PCG in Philippines:
August 24, 2020
I was just informed that a family of four left the PCG Philippines early this month. I don’t have many details but please pray for them that they successfully navigate their new life away from the cult. –[name withheld]
Finally Getting Some Answers About the Virus:
September 1, 2020
I wrote you before [see June 9 letter] about how WHO said it was very rare to spread the Coronvirus if asymptomatic and wondering if members would be less afraid to meet.
Now I am finally getting some answers. Two articles from Townhall which shows our fears were exaggerated. “Oops: It Looks Like the Vast Majority of Positive COVID Results Should Have Been Negative” (August 29) and “The Lockdown Has Gone From a Mistake to a Crime.” (September 1) This last one is especially good. It’s all been about control through fear. –T. S.
Reply: Businesses and lives have been destroyed over this. The CDC has announced that only six percent of COVID deaths have been caused by the virus alone. In all other instances, the elderly that died were already suffering from multiple and serious health conditions. This does not even take into account the pollution (China, NY, Italy, etc.). Pollution causes all sorts of lung infections, including pneumonia. Since PCG keeps everything under wraps, we will never know how many PCG members died, suffered depression, or even committed suicide from the lockdown and being isolated from their friends.
Flurry Will Use Any Fear He Thinks Will Work:
September 2, 2020
We joined the PCG in 1992 and Flurry was talking about the race riots around that time. I remember him talking about nuclear holocaust throughout my PCG years. He would use news sources that said suitcase size bombs were smuggled out of Russia and they could be anywhere just waiting to be used. Flurry will use any fear he thinks will work, so it just depends on what is in the news at the time. –B.
S. F. and Fear:
September 3, 2020
In the June 21 post A. R. included how masks are not healthy to wear all day according to Dr. Russell Blaylock. There was another article on Global Research “Unmasking the Truth: Studies Show Dehumanizing Masks Weaken You and Don’t Protect You.” So this info has been out awhile. Why have we never heard S.F. talking about this? His job is to make others fearful but not go too far off the edge and cause his phony program to be censored. –S.
Gerald Flurry Flies off the Handle Because of Division Over The New Throne of David:
September 7, 2020
It seems like every time I turn around there’s another ridiculous article by GF. His August 1 article, “Psalm 89: Jeremiah Speaks to the PCG” is such a one. He flies off the handle because there has been a division in PCG over “The New Throne of David.”
I will quote some of his fear-drenched words: (my comments in brackets in purple, bolding mine, italics GF’s)
“At some point you must stop the murmuring and rebelling, or you’re going to die! … Fifty percent of God’s people who turn away from Him are going to die forever!” [On the contrary, we have assurance of eternal life now. (I John 5:13)]
“We must believe what God is doing! We are sons of Zadok, …” [I thought we were the sons of God. (John 1:12; Philippians 2:15; I John 3:1-2;]
“Trusting God 99 percent or less is really a deadly spiritual disease!” [What you are saying is that if someone doesn’t trust you, it is a spiritual disease.]
“Many prophecies warn that God’s Church will receive real pressure in the future. [How many times did we hear those same words from Herbert Armstrong?] Enemies will castigate our people in unmerciful ways. They will probably say people who hear a voice belong in insane asylums, [Like you said you did before you wrote The New Throne of David?] and it is crazy to follow someone to a place of safety who says he is a king.” [Like you said you were? See February 27, 2018 letter: “King Flurry?“] They will compare us to cults like Jim Jones, which committed mass suicide. That will be hard to take! It will take strong courage to resist that.” [It will take courage to see the lies and walk away.]
“No matter how hard the trial gets or how fierce it is, just look in the Bible. See what God says. And when the temptation to question or challenge God arises, refrain! Don’t even go there! That is total trust in God.” [No, it’s total trust in Gerald Flurry and not using one’s own critical thinking skills. What happened to total trust in the Lord Jesus who gives eternal life that cannot be taken away? (John 10:28; John 6:40)]
The more members question or doubt him, the wilder and more fanatical he becomes. This article was so full of baloney that I only gave a few quotes. –L. S.
PCG’s Boast for a Continuing Heir to the Throne of David:
September 17, 2020
The whole gang of Armstrongites have a big problem. They boast they’re the only ones with God’s truth. They only read a cherry-picked Bible. PCG boasts there has to be an continuing heir to the throne of David. I’ve read England’s line of kings. There’s 5 queens who ruled 192 yrs. –J.D.
Why No Leading Minister Exposing the Entire Scam?
September 19, 2020
Why hasn’t there hasn’t been any leading minister in PCG with the guts to leave and and expose GF and PCG? And I mean exposing the entire scam, even writing a book. I’ll see some former member expose a minister, or some abuse. But how many walk away completely instead of going with some other Bimbo teaching the same bull? It’s downright depressing. –H. E.
Reply: It doesn’t seem to be happening anymore, especially since 1974 when 70 ministers left the WCG and exposed the hypocrisy and double standards at HQs. They had strong convictions and weren’t afraid to speak up and some wrote books (see some of our PDF books). While there have been former members speaking up about the abuses in PCG, none have written a book that I know of. The time to have made a clean break, if not in the 70’s, was after the WCG changes in 1995. There are now hundreds of offshoots including splits from PCG. Not all have an authoritarian, abusive hierarchy, but they still claim to have “the truth.” Yes, it can be depressing.
PCG Grooms Certain Ones to Become “Yes Men”:
September 20, 2020
I was reading the last letter posted by H. E. and have felt the same frustration.
After attending PCG for 10 years and having one son go through their “Armstrong College” and become a PCG employee I can tell you that they groom those men to become “Yes men.” We all know what a “Yes man” is.
A lot of the ministers and employees are children of ministers or extended family.
A lot of them don’t have much real world experience or job skills so they get a job in their church and get hooked on the power and prestige they think they have.
It would be difficult to get a real job after being a PCG minister and then leaving with few actual real world job skills. –R. B.
Reply: “Yes men” seek approval and do get hooked on the power and assumed prestige. This is the opposite of true leadership. True leaders will want others to challenge and question them. These “yes men” have no convictions to stand up against the evils that are going on in PCG. Those with strong convictions will leave, expose the organization, and trust God to help them with whatever comes their way. Mind control (which includes fear, threats, repetition and guilt) plays a big part in such groups which allows the leaders to groom others to become what they want.
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