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Everyone We Know Has Benefited From Your Site:
January 1, 2022
Your site has been a big help for us after we left PCG. We have been out for two years now and are still going through and absorbing everything on your site. Everyone we know who has left has said they have benefited from your site. –Former member of PCG
January 2, 2022
Jude Flurry, son of the infamous Stephen Flurry, and who attends Herbert W.Armstrong College, was baptized November 6, 2021 by his father and Joel Hilliker. Are we looking at another PCG evangelist in the making? [Note: Read: Edmond Elite Youth Being Taught How to Riverdance (Irish Dancing)] –[name withheld]
Scott Flory Ordained as Deacon:
January 3, 2022
Scott Flory was ordained as a deacon by Brian Davis on October 2, 2021. He will be over the Cincinnati-Dayton, Ohio congregation.
As a side note, Steve Flory (age 30), grandson of Dale Flory, and oldest son of Steven and Kymberli Flory, married Maria Buckner on November 7, 2021. Both were from the Cincinnati-Dayton, OH congregation. “Preaching Elder” Eric Burns officiated at the ceremony. The couple now resides in Miamisburg, OH.
Dale Flory (who passed away in July 2021) was the father of little 12-year old Alicia Flory who died of a virulent viral infection.” For more information on this see: “Little Girl Died from Lack of Medical Attention” (January 18, 2014 letter) and ” The Tragic Death of Alicia Flory” (January 11, 2022 letter below).
Scott Flory, is the man who was forced to abandon his wife Cassie according to the evil dictates and approval of Cal Culpepper. More about this was covered in the August 10, 2016 letter “Outrageous and Hypocritical Article by Joel Hilliker” and the August 4, 2016 article, “New No-Contact Ruling From Gerald Flurry.” (search for their names)
So Glad To Be Out of That Mess:
January 5, 2022
When I look at the Flory family, their painful history totally disproves GF’s lie and con message that you will be blessed and prosperous if you kowtow and serve the Flurry cult wholeheartedly. In the late [date removed] when I attended PCG and spent time with the Florys in their homes, it all looked good initially. By all outward appearances they were a happy, devout, religious clan of God-fearing people. However when we reflect on the litany of premature and tragic deaths, divorce, broken marriages, estrangement amongst siblings, adultery, etc., you see that there is no special divine approbation to those who wholeheartedly serve the PCG. We are so grateful to be out of that mess. –Former PCG member [name withheld]
PCG’s Misleading Lies About Their Archaeology:
January 6 , 2022
The PCG’s watchJerusalem website, retweeted as well in the “churches” twitter feed, has a headline that says :
“Our Top 10 Biblical Archaeology Discoveries Of 2021”
I just want to draw attention to how shady and misleading they are. Despite what Andrew Locher said in a Bible study given during their summer camp last year, they don’t have any archaeologist employed by the PCG nor are they even remotely capable of graduating an archaeologist from their indoctrination college [Herbert W. Armstrong College]. And they most certainly have not made any archaeological discoveries or even participated in any digs this year. This subtle misinformation is what they do in every aspect of their religion.
Also while on the topic, notice how they refuse to release how much money they paid for Dr. Eilat Mazar’s book collection. Just as Herbert Armstrong bought his way into literally every head of state meeting he had and pawned it off as God’s doing. –Former PCG member
Heard Andrew Locher Lying to Campers:
January 6, 2022
I listened to that last Bible Study Andrew Locher gave at PCG Youth Camp [now known as Philadelphia Church of God Summer Educational Program or SEP]. It was awful. He was trying to convince the campers why they should go to H. W. Armstrong college and how it has “turned out so many successful people in all different careers” and went on to say they had “two archaeologists” in the PCG. He was referring to, but didn’t directly name, Chris Eames and Brent Naagtagal. It was a blatant lie! They are not archaeologists! Not even close! Andrew Locher is just a slimy little liar. –N. L.
Carlos Heyer Being Transferred to Latin America
January 7, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
[Note: This letter was updated 1-13-22 along with new comments.]
January 11, 2022
I was around when Alicia Flory died. I ate and slept over at their house when I worked for them at their construction company. We all fellowshipped together every Sabbath and holy day. I worked as a part time contractor with Dale Flory and his sons in their construction business. But I was told by a Flory family member that Dale and his wife were trying natural remedies with their daughter [to help her get well]. I was told that pus was coming out of her ear and that is why they finally took her to the doctors. The problem was that they waited too long to give her antibiotics. If everything was on the up and up to begin with, why did the State/County even have to investigate?
I know Yvonne was into Reiki and all natural healing methods, some of which were New Age (Kinesiology and Reflexology, for instance). Yvonne did tell me about Reiki. I remember distinctly because I had never heard about this type of natural healing before. Just how she practiced it precisely [or if she used it on Alicia] I am not able to expertly relate. I know she showed me her room in her Greenville, OH house with candles, aroma therapy, and New Age music where she helped people with physical infirmities. She sold natural herbs and remedies if my memory serves me correctly.
I am not a family member of the Florys. Perhaps I was not as intimately involved in the inner familial workings of those people but it was not as if I am an outsider making stuff up. They [the family] waited too long with that natural healing stuff until they finally went to a doctor. When you bring a kid into a doctor’s office with pus coming out of their ear in an advanced viral infection, any physician will realize that this did not happen overnight. The doctor had to file a report with the local authorities. I have had children die in my family and amongst friends and coworkers. I have never had one time heard a report of the authorities investigating a child’s death. Something was rotten in Denmark as the saying goes.
Could it be the PCGs diabolical doctrine of no doctors that could have been a factor in Alicia’s tragic and untimely death? [Refer to: Use of the medical profession is strongly discouraged from article “Philadelphia Church of God Information.”]
I remember attending Alicia’s funeral and helping shovel the dirt into her grave.
–Brett Streutker, former member of PCG and author of New No-Contact Ruling From Gerald Flurry; Gerald Flurry Remarries–Hypocrisy From the Top; We Were Miraculously Protected During Kentucky Tornadoes, et al. on site.
Comments from ESN: Read: New Age Alternative Healing. which covers Kinesiology, Reflexology, Aromatherapy, and other alternative healing. Also, remember that one of the “healing sessions” that WCG brought in (during the changes) to try and deal with members’ recovery concerns was called “Pathways for Peace and Healing.” A search on this group shows that it is based on Shamanism, which is tied in with Reiki healing, a New Age and occult practice. (Read: Reiki a universal energy technique to heal.) The founder of Reiki was Dr. Mikao Usui a Japanese theologian who claims that Reiki came to him in a vision.
January 11, 2022
Did you know that Vicki Barreiro’s husband committed suicide?? Vicki moved to Ponca City, OK to be near HQs in Edmond, OK, leaving her parents, 80 or so years old, alone in CA. –[name withheld]
Comment: Read: Gerald Flurry Remarries–Hypocrisy From the Top. Footnote #1 at bottom tells how Vicki Sue Barreiro married Gerald Flurry on November 16, 2020 and then links to the letter with the special announcement, which says the marriage all started with “ministerial counseling.”
Went to AC With Husband of Vicki Barreiro:
(2nd email from person above)
January 12, 2022
It was around November 2017 when he [Vicki’s husband] committed suicide.
We’ve been suffering since at least 2017. My husband and I were put out at that same Feast after I’d spoken with Vicki about where was Lou. She said “They’re working with him.” He had been put out. I guess it didn’t go too well. I’d gone to AC with Lou and I thought it sounded a bit too cavalier. Then we were put out at the Feast, then let back in 12 weeks later; asked regional director about Lou and he admitted he’d killed himself. We were put out again in July 2021 for not coming back immediately after our building opened up for Covid. Still don’t know what to do. Have read your site several times and found it helpful. –Kind regards, –Ex PCG [name withheld]
Told Baptism Wasn’t Valid:
(3rd email from person above:)
January 12, 2022
There’s so much that I guess I’ve got stored away, and if you don’t mind I’ll get some of it off my chest. Gerald Flurry decided Lou Barreiro [Vicki Barreiro’s husband] hadn’t been baptized–his baptism hadn’t been valid–so that would mean he’d still have a chance at eternal life. That’s handy as a way out. It wasn’t that he’d been tormented in his mind by being kept from the Feast and probably told he’d have to be re-baptized. They tried to do that to me, too (the same minister)–that maybe my baptism hadn’t been valid simply because I’d been baptized at 18 at AC [Ambassador College]. But I quoted Herbert Armstrong’s booklet that if you have been truly baptized it would be wrong to redo it. So the regional director (Brian Davis) decided mine had been valid. But I know what it did to me. It was devastating. My whole life would mean nothing.
There was a woman in her early 50’s that they did re-baptize at this time. This time they said we “might be tares” even though the new regional director (Cal Culpepper) said, “You’re a delightful couple and have a lot to give.” I guess he changed his mind when we left it [PCG] too long to come back after Covid. This decision we found out later was just as GF was starting to date Vicki Barrerio exclusively, so I can’t help but wonder if his judgement might not have been quite on the mark (for our sake I hope that’s the case anyway). You can see the turmoil still in me. Anyway, thanks for listening. –Ex PCG [name withheld]
P.S. Just to clarify. It was July 2020 when they put us out (not 2021). The local guy, Roger Brandon, was on the warpath against us. Cal Culpepper was more amenable, but said GF kept reminding him it was 3 weeks in a row out [from not attending], then out. It was just too far for us in our circumstances but that wasn’t OK I guess. Bums [buttocks] on chairs isn’t the same as conversion. Hope God sees it that way. –Ex PCG [name withheld]
Comment: This person has received a personal reply. UPDATE: Examples of a Tightly Controlled System (Philadelphia Church of God) Copies of three documents faxed from PCG HQs. Covers rules for: Bible Studies; PCG picnics and socials and valid baptismal counseling. (Has Marvin Campbell’s signature on them.)
Continuing to Destroy People’s Lives By the Day:
January 13, 2022
Sometimes I can hardly wrap my head around what is transpiring in PCG. It seems like absolute madness. This cult is continuing to destroy people’s lives by the day while GF and the rest of his goons exhibit complete indifference as to what they are doing. I continue to pray against GF and his schemes and lies daily and that God would intervene for the suffering people. –A. R.
Thinking We Left God:
January 13, 2022
This is concerning the couple that were put out and told their baptism wasn’t valid. [See 1-12-22 letter] That poor couple! I know exactly what they are going through. I hope they can do some research and prove what Herbert Armstrong was and how it was all just for money. Otherwise they will be living with guilt hanging over their heads, thinking they left God, when in fact they left Gerald Flurry and the PCG. –Former member of PCG
January 14, 2022
I found out that Andrew Hessong moved to Ohio to be right where his idol, Brian Davis is. [Note: Brian Davis is the brother-in-law of Andrew Hessong] I don’t think some people understand that everything Hessong did was actually done by Brian Davis, through him. These men under Brian Davis can’t wipe their noses without first running it by Brian. I think it’s funny that Hessong got fired when Cal Culpepper moved over the Western region.
Also, I thought you might be interested in knowing that when it comes to women, Brian Davis is a serial re-baptizer! That is his MO when he comes across a woman who either isn’t swooning over him or is giving him the slightest trouble in getting them completely under control. I personally know of 4 but know there have been more! It is a way of humiliating them thus gaining control and bringing them into submission to him. (His attitude towards women is text book narcissistic sociopath, which I am 100% sure he is one) –Former PCG member [name withheld]
Comment: Read: Brian Davis Is an Abusive Tyrant which will link to other letters on the site about him.
PCG Has Lost Several of Their Platforms:
January 14, 2022
I received notes from my source that pertained to a recent sermonette by Mark Hyde which was called “The Cancel Culture Front.” PCG has lost several of their platforms and it’s all due to “Satan” and the “cancel culture” which shows us “time is short” and now it is “up to the members to do something about it.” He said often the co-worker letters are descriptions of “our enemy’s campaign against us.” Ever notice how Satan is brought into everything in the PCG? Especially when there’s a problem?
He called it “strong headwinds” when he said PCG lost most of their ability to use YouTube and Facebook this year and “one of their most effective cable television networks ended their contract with them after 13 years.” Now they are having trouble finding “replacement outlets.” The reason for these problems? “The message is getting stronger and the world more hostile.”
So, they are to “pray for open doors” because Satan is using this cancel culture to “stifle this message.”
It was the same old verbiage of “We are quickly running out of time.” Didn’t we hear HWA say that over and over from the beginning of his ministry? Haven’t we heard GF say it over and over since 1989?
Hyde said, “God’s Work is going to get done but how fast may depend on us.” May? It always seems to “depend on the members.” They are to pray a door will open and that God’s Work will get done. But if it was truly was God’s Work, would they have to worry so much about it getting done? –[name withheld]
Comment: Mark Hyde is married to Rachel Leap, daughter of Dennis Leap.
Dennis Leap Once Got on a Table at the FOT and Started Shouting:
January 14, 2022
Speaking of abusive ministers, I want to relate how Dennis Leap got up on a table once and was shouting in these other members’ faces. He was disfellowshipping a couple of members at the Feast one year and he really made a big show of it.
I don’t think any of these ministers in PCG show any humility befitting a real servant of Jesus. –[name withheld]
Brian Davis Controlled and Morphed Many Men Into Dictators:
January 15, 2022
In regards to the letter you had posted about Andrew Hessong and Brian Davis [see January 14], I’d like to add my personal experience with Brian Davis. He always makes comments such as “If so and so can’t control his wife then God’s church will control her for him.” This allowed him to control and morph many men into dictators. No one wanted to be seen as not having control over their family. There are many sermons given about men controlling their wives and making sure they aren’t allowing the wife be the neck that turns the man’s head.
Looking back on the things that went on there I can see just how wrong it was. At the time I knew on some level that it wasn’t right and saw many men treat their wives and children badly. Blame would almost always be placed on the woman regardless of circumstance. I hope that people thinking of joining this organisation will read your site and realise what they are getting involved with. –Ex member of PCG
Dennis Leap’s Behavior Has Been Sickening:
January 17, 2022
Regarding the letter about Dennis Leap getting up on a table and shouting [see January 14, 2022 letter], I have no problem believing it. He broke up many families and threw hundreds of people out when he was a minister. There is a lot of dirt on him that would stun those he has been able to fool. His behavior has been sickening. He was known by his friends to tell “great dirty jokes.” There are far worse things that I can’t mention. His poor wife hardly ever smiled. Today he is only a “senior writer” for PCG and he has no speaking role anymore.
I’m sure it would shock us to find out what many of these so-called “righteous ministers of God” are really like, including Gerald Flurry, men who love to abuse any who dare to speak up to them, or even attempt to quote Scripture. I doubt GF will ever repent of his sins that have accumulated over the years (the no-contact ruling being one) as his goal has been to pursue power and money.
While there’s so much evil in that cult, there’s so much love and peace with Jesus that thankfully we can acquire if we leave. –Ex PCG
Comment: There is much on our site about Dennis Leap especially in regard to Malachi’s Message. One for instance is: “Dennis Leap, Malachi’s Message and Mark Nash.” Do a search on his name. Also be aware that more than two witnesses have testified to Leap’s unsavory behavior.
Cruel Actions by Dennis Leap:
January 18, 2022
There was a man in PCG who divorced his wife (not a member) due to the PCG encouraging him to do so [no contact ruling]. This man was fairly well off financially. My mother (who was not a member) talked with his wife in the past at the PCG feast and she told my mother that she was very concerned and scared at the time her husband would chose the “church” over her and it turned out to be true. My mother feared the same thing but my father thought she was crazy and said that the PCG would never make him chose his family or the church. Well he got a big surprise when Dennis Leap came to his home and told him to never talk to me again or have anything to do with me and encouraged him to “get rid” of my mother. It really shook him up although not enough to make him stop attending.
My father was not rich but he was fairly well off (more so than a lot of church members in his area) and so we really didn’t expect Dennis Leap to disfellowship him because of that, although we’d loved him to in a way. Dennis Leap told my father that they had been watching him for a long time and found him not to be very zealous in his deacon duties. My father agreed with him and told him that it was because Dennis didn’t give them any positive comments and encouragement. I’m very surprised that my father wasn’t disfellowshipped then and there, but I’m sure he worded it in a favorable way.
My father told us that Dennis Leap at one point had been talking about feast reservations and said that if any member made hotel/house reservations before he said it was okay that he would personally call and cancel them himself. –[name withheld]
Comment: Read this excellent letter: More About Dennis Leap and PCG which will also link to “Glad Dennis Leap Finally Recognized as the Insane Man He Was.”
Nobody Liked Dennis Leap:
January 19, 2022
I think any position (“power”) Dennis Leap has comes from the fact that he knows too much about where Malachi’s Message came from, since he helped to rewrite it. Flurry has put him down, but cannot get rid of him. Leap’s wife never accompanied him on visits. Maybe she didn’t want to hear him be cruel. She only smiled in response to a friendly greeting, and even then she looked like she didn’t know how. He had the unhappiest family I ever saw in the PCG. Even though Leap used to be fat, he used to call another young minister “Bubble Butt.” Nobody liked him. –Former member of PCG
GF Adds to Revelation 3:8 / Hints at January 16 “Miracle”:
January 21, 2022
GF, on January 15 said this day was “D-Day” and called it a “special weekend.” He gave some announcements before his sermon and the first thing I noticed was how he added to Revelation 3:8. He said that he thought of this Scripture while Dwight Falk was giving the sermonette about January 16. He said he remembered it very distinctly because he didn’t think he ever heard HWA say this. He told how HWA was being criticized about some things and that he (HWA) went to Revelation 3:7-8. Then GF read verse 8. However, GF added to that Scripture. He read it as saying, and I quote his words:
“Behold I have set before you an open door (that’s Mr. Armstrong) and no man can shut it for you have a little strength and have kept my word and have not denied my name or my government.” If you will read Revelation 3:8 you will find that it does not say “my government.” The verse ends with “and hast not denied my name.” I wonder if any members picked up on that? GF said HWA silenced his critics for quite awhile by reading that. I’m sure he did if he added the words “my government.”
Then he gave a few announcements and said “This really falls in the category of a miracle day” or “close to it.” He told how on January 11 PCG sent out their first issue of “Let the Stones Speak” to the printer and that the magazine should start arriving in the mailbox this weekend to the U.K. subscribers. [This will be the magazine of the new institute.] He said on January 16 and 17, the Armstrong-Mizar Institute of Biblical Archaeology [refer to November 13, 2021 letter to ESN and GF’s co-worker letter of November 1] will be launching its new website. ArmstrongMazar.com
Then he told how he (GF) “made a special request to enter Jerusalem without vaccination” but they denied his request. However, he said the dept. manager suggested he be in touch with him in a couple of weeks “when the Omicron wave will hopefully be over and he will reconsider our application.”
He told members that everything is opening up over there in Jerusalem and he is sure that God is going to get them over there “in a certain appointed time.” –Anonymous
GF Still Trying to Pull a January 16 Miracle Out of a Hat:
January 21, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Stephen Flurry Goes Off the Rails Again:
January 22, 2022
Just to show how far off the rails Stephen Flurry is getting, he gave a Bible Study titled “Ask and You Shall Receive” where he talked about how we members (including the PCG youth) should know how to answer questions. He said the following which I thought was more than a little ridiculous:
“There is going to come a time when people are going to be chasing us down, pulling at the hem of our garment, to get answers to life’s most important questions. And we’ve got to be ready to answer everyone that asks.”
On the other hand, if a member were to ask a minister (especially your highness SF or GF) something that they don’t like, don’t want to hear, or can’t answer, you can be sure that person will be suspended on the spot.
In this Bible study, SF took a long time to brag non-stop about Herbert Armstrong, ad nauseam, raising him up as the whitest of white saints.What would PCG ever do if they didn’t have HWA to continually refer to? The Bible, and especially the Christ of the Bible, wouldn’t be enough for them.
Even though this Bible study was about how we should know how to ask and reply to questions, SF said God doesn’t want us to question His authority (Translation: PCG ministers), His leadership (Translation: Gerald Flurry and Stephen Flurry), His Truth (Translation: GF’s teaching promulgated to the exclusion of all other groups).
He told about the “abundant life you all have in God’s church” and “why would you want to give that up?”
The only ones I know who have the “abundant life” are the higher up ministers and their pampered, rich kids. The rest have to endure split families, financial problems, and fearing what’s coming in the future.
I wonder how SF thinks his loud, nerve-wracking, voice (which crescendos in the middle of all his speeches) is going to get anyone to focus on asking any kind of question. But his behavior is all part of mind control which he is very good at. –G. E.
Comment: To read about this so-called “abundant life” of members, read: “Abuses I Was Aware of in Philadelphia Church of God.”
Leap’s Behavior Not Christ-Like:
January 23, 2022
That’s insane about Dennis Leap shouting from a tabletop. [see 1-14 letter] Doesn’t sound very Christ-like to me. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
GF Says Get Rid of Your Smartphones or You Will End up in the Tribulation:
January 25, 2022
I just wanted to draw attention to the last sermon GF gave entitled, “Jeremiah’s Commission.”
Towards the end he began speaking about smartphones. He referenced one specific family who used them and though he didn’t specifically say, he alluded to them no longer being members. So whether they were kicked out or left I don’t know.
He then proceeded in an attempt to scare his followers by saying if people don’t get rid of their smartphone they will end up in the Tribulation and they’ll be eating their sons, daughters and friends and he then asked, “what good will those smart phones be then?”
This is only about control! Think about this. What is the difference between an iPad or a computer? They all access the same information. What is the difference between a man at work all day on his computer in his private office or a stay at home mom with access all day to her iPad?? There is literally no difference.
GF does this to control, and if the members secretly keep their smartphones then they feel guilty and will attribute any bad thing that happens to them to this little “act of rebellion.” And if the ministry finds out someone is “rebelling,” then that gives them leverage and control over them. Even by their own doctrine, if their members can’t control themselves and stay off the porn sites–which he seemed to indicate that was a problem–how then can they make it into their supposed kingdom? Clearly they don’t have the character, and can’t do it unless their life is controlled for them.
Last time I checked, God doesn’t want robots. If He did, He would have made us so. It makes no difference if they access porn via a smartphone, iPad, or computer. It’s not about that, it’s solely about control, just like the recent ruling on men only wearing white shirts to church. It is 100% cult behavior. –T. C.
January 25, 2022
This cult has all the characteristics of a criminal organization posing as a “church.” It has been said before that Gerald Flurry “exaggerates like an accomplished maniacal liar.” You can see this over and over again if you pay careful attention to what he says and writes. As far as I’m concerned, he’s a true sociopath that needs to be exposed to the nth degree. GF, SF, and all their “carefully chosen” ones in this wicked, abominable organization are only interested in taking people’s money and they will do whatever it takes to accomplish that end, even if it means lying and taking Scripture out of context. One article on your site tells how they get the elderly to hand over their estates, wills and other assets. They also love it when someone is sick and dying and has money that they can coerce them out of leaving to them. This cult needs to be destroyed by God in Heaven and I know it will be someday! It has already destroyed enough innocent lives as it is. –T. S.
Comment: Also read: PCG Preying on the Old, Sick and Dying (and Not Leaving Any Paper Trail) (letter to ESN)
Not All PCG Members Will Give Up Their Smartphones:
January 30, 2022
On the subject of smartphones, My wife is in PCG and she certainly has not given up her smartphone. I doubt if others in PCG are doing so either. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
My Ex-Wife in PCG Died Due to Medical Neglect:
January 30, 2022
Reviewing these pages has helped me understand and strengthen my thoughts about the PCG and my ex-wife’s passing.
My wife joined the PCG in the early 1990s. I continued attending a traditional Christian denomination while she attended the PCG. I kept getting vibes that her “church” was a cult from the members I met and because of the control it had on her thoughts and actions. We eventually ended up divorcing [several] years later due to the strain it was causing on our children and marriage. She married a member of the PCG and ended up moving multiple times to different states and loosing contact with her children.
Her husband called us in the middle of the night [date removed] that she was dying, was incoherent, and couldn’t talk. Word quickly spread and my son called the town’s police to do a wellness check. They arrived and insisted the husband allow them to call an ambulance and he argued. One was finally called but the husband refused any medical treatment at the hospital because that was her wish. He produced a hand written note stating she didn’t want medical intervention and later he admitted signing the paper. We learned later she possibly wasn’t allowed transportation (by her choice or others) to medical help for a few weeks leading up to her death. PCG members would come over and sit with her to pray and use healing cloths. This was murder by neglect. We also suspected the husband may have had a hand in her demise. The police never did an autopsy or investigation. Later [date removed], he remarried a PCG member and had a child.
The PCG stole my wife, contributed to her death, and emotionally scarred me and my children. Your pages have given me knowledge that my experience was unfortunately shared by others. –[name withheld]
PCG Says They Are “Temporarily Unable” to Produce CDs for Visually-Impaired:
January 30, 2022
In PCG “Important Announcements” they posted this:
Unlike in the past, Audio Recording staff has not been able to produce CDs of our regular publications for the visually-impaired (or blind) since the summer. We’re temporarily unable to produce them and will resume the program as soon as it’s feasible. We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused to those who rely on the material. Projects may be completed intermittently; if so, a single CD set may arrive in mailboxes occasionally for those who are subscribed.
I don’t think PCG is worried so much about members recording the sermons on their smartphones as they are about a shut-in having one of these CDs accidentally getting to someone that isn’t a member. I remember only one letter you posted where someone passed on the Celtic Throne Performance (Read 2021 letter: “Someone Passed a Copy of the Celtic Throne Performance on to Me“) However, members have too much fear in them to be recording the sermons on their smartphones. That’s just my thoughts from knowing some who have left. The fear PCG places in them is diabolical. That said, perhaps it’s best that the “visually-impaired” don’t hear these sermons. Maybe it will give them time to think about leaving. I would think, though, that sending them a copy even “occasionally” is taking a risk of it getting into someone else’s hands. –[name withheld]
Brad Macdonald Makes Members and Singles Fear to be Unequally Yolked:
February 1, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
SF’s Over-Excitement Regarding Trucker Convoy in Canada:
February 1, 2022
I can’t stand Stephen Flurry, or his voice (and others have commented on that), but after I watched the trucker convoy story on The Highwire, I decided to grit my teeth and listen to the Trumpet Daily: “Canada rallies around freedom convoy – Trudeau goes into hiding,” because I wanted to hear what SF had to say about it.
SF was laughing, raising his voice, and getting super excited and loud (like he always does about a major story) because of Justin Trudeau [Prime Minister of Canada], going into hiding. After the first few minutes, I thought, how many people who are new to the DT [Daily Trumpet] will hear SF acting like a lunatic when they first tune into the program and not listen further? I didn’t listen to all of it as he always brings Satan in at the end and begins offering HWA’s books (especially MOA) which “gives the answers.”
The story, which has been widely circulated, is about Justin Trudeau putting in place a Covid-19 vaccine mandate for cross-border truckers. This caused thousands of truckers [40 thousand] who had had enough to peacefully protest by driving across the country to Ottawa for negotiations. Trudeau is calling it a “small fringe movement” which is not true. The media is still trying to post an untrue narrative about it.
The Highwire (which included feedback from Jefferey Jaxen of The Jaxen Report) had a much calmer and more balanced show about it here: “Thousands of Truckers Convoy in Protest.”
Even though I’m glad to see this happening because of the absolute tyranny going on in Canada, I do wonder how much of an impact in reality this will have on the evil globalists. –A. R.
Members Would Also Be Labeled If They Protested:
February 3, 2022
The media and politicians in Canada are calling the truckers who are protesting “terrorists.” Now how insane is that? And for Canadians only wanting their freedoms. I imagine that if many in PCG protested (“rebelled”), they would have a pejorative label placed on them, too, except GF would blame it on Satan. It was the same in WCG in the 70’s. –[name withheld]
Truckers in U.S. to Protest / PCG Using Facebook to Spy on Members:
February 4, 2022
Truckers in the US are planning their own convoy from CA to Washington D.C. beginning March 1 to peacefully protest the authoritarian vaccine mandates. I was listening to Washington Watch and Brian Base, co-organizer of the DC trucker Freedom Convoy, told how Facebook shut down their page and used lies about them to do it. (They now have a new FB page.) It is common for Facebook to silence and censor those who are telling the truth and they have been doing this for some time. Yet PCG who does not tell the truth is able to have several pages on Facebook to promote themselves and will spy on members that they know are on there, especially to see if they are talking to disfellowshipped family members. –[name withheld]
GF Switches Gears and Says God is Forming His “Gideon’s Army”:
February 5, 2022
GF used to quote HWA as stating something about “when the church pleased God, it grew,” but they no longer ever say that because it hasn’t had growth in many years. They’ve even stopped printing their circulation numbers in their magazines. Now they’ve switched gears and talk about how God is forming his little “Gideon’s Army” and that in these end times they should expect to lose members–the ones who never really believed. Well I call B.S. on that. I attended the WCG and PCG for many years. I believed! I believed it hook, line and sinker! Until one day I sat down and started trying to figure out why my family was on the brink of disintegrating. When I stepped back and looked at things objectively and without all of the lies, manipulation and fear mongering–well, let’s just say I was quite surprised to see the “church” was the culprit.
Thankfully I was able to think clearly and have been out for several years. It was quite an adjustment as my parents came in to WCG when I was a little child. I only knew that way of life. But God has deeply blessed me and my husband (he was out of PCG before me). And I’m so thankful!
I don’t believe God is in PCG in any way. I want it to be exposed for all of the negative ways it has impacted people.
Thank you again for all you do. –Former PCG member
Alex Harrison Was the Biggest Hypocrite of All:
February 6, 2022
Alex Harrison was always very, very controlling. He was a manipulator, a liar, and abuser and most of all the biggest hypocrite that has ever existed!!
There is hypocrisy within the PCG at the highest level and which proves PCG is not a Christian church but a cult that is self serving and not at all Bible based. –Ex member of PCG
Comment: Much has been posted on our site about Alex Harrison who died 11-29-20. Read: Concerns from Trinidad and Alex Harrison Destroyed Families and Spiritual Lives.
Andrew Locher’s Poppycock Words:
February 6, 2022
Andrew Locher in a recent sermon was gearing everyone up for the Days of Unleavened Bread. It was the same, “Let me quote to you what HWA said back in 1975 (and wherever) about how “only those whose heart is fully in the Work continue to overcome and to grow spiritually.” Notice it has to be “fully” which translates into giving money, lots of money. According to HWA, you can’t grow spiritually unless you do this. This is poppycock. I find nothing in the Scriptures which say this and the Scriptures (untwisted) are what we should go by.
He spent a good portion in the beginning of his sermon telling how “donations have increased” and this year was even “stronger by quite a margin.” How about Locher lay out the financial records so everyone can see whether or not this is true? Let’s have some open books on PCG”s finances.
He finished up by saying, “This Work is about to perform its final heroic deeds of this age. Jesus Christ is about to return.” I wish others would keep track of how many times those words are said every single year, every holy day, and even throughout the year. How far back do those words go? To the time of HWA in his early years? People need to start thinking and see they are being taken for a ride–a very expensive ride. –J. W.
PCG Committing Crimes Against the Brethren:
February 7, 2022
My husband and I left PCG 14 years ago (we ended up divorcing but not because of the PCG). We attended in Sacramento, CA and met many of the top ministers in the PCG while we attended over a span of 14 years prior to leaving.
Upon keeping updated on what is going on in this group it has come to my attention that this group is now committing crimes against the brethren. I have long thought that this group needs to be reported. They need to be held responsible for any child’s untimely and unnecessary death! We always had people in the PCG who were the local “natural healers” and it was pushed on us to go through them first. At least in Sacramento it was. The inheritances that are stolen and so many other crazy things to list that are being done is not right.
I almost died myself while attending this “church” because of severe social pressure coming from the ministry. I shudder to think how my kids almost had to grow up without me while my husband at the time shouted in my face that I needed to die in faith. He refused to dial 911 but called the minister first. I was bleeding to death. The minister told him that if I did not have the faith to be healed, then he needed to call 911. So finally he did.
These people are not a “church” or of God. They are criminals. –Former PCG member
Hot Air Article:
February 7, 2022
I meant to send this in earlier. To finish the end of 2021 off, Gerald Flurry wrote a hot air article entitled, “Following Elijah.” (December 10, 2021)
First of all, why does the title say “Following Elijah”? Didn’t Jesus say many times to follow Him? (use a Bible concordance and look up the words “follow me” in the N. T.
And what does GF offer at the end of this “Following Elijah” hot air article? You got that right–Malachi’s Message, which should really be entitled Gerald Flurry’s Message. Or more accurately, Jules Dervaes Message, co-authored by Dennis Leap. (Read: Malachi’s Message–How True Is It?” –Anonymous
Comment: “Following Elijah” is also chapter four in the book Malachi’s Message.
Ninety Percent of the Truckers Protesting in Canada Are Vaccinated:
February 8, 2022
Regarding the truckers protest in Canada. Ninety percent and more of the truckers are vaccinated. It is the mandates they are against. They don’t like being forced to do something. The media isn’t allowed to show how massive the convoy is. Justin Trudeau is an idiot in my opinion. Nothing but lies coming out of his mouth. It’s becoming an Orwellian dictatorship in Canada. Had enough of that in the WCG splinter groups. –[name withheld]
Comment: He is a NWO globalist.
Truckers Freedom Protest Shows We Shouldn’t Let Ourselves Be Manipulated by Anyone:
February 9, 2022
Yes, Trudeau is a NWO globalist. He is also a fascist. He wants to crush this protest as it challenges the government worldwide that thinks they can do anything they want. That’s why the global leaders believe they have to stop it. They can’t let the truckers succeed because it represents a threat to the establishment and to the ruling elite. But from what I’ve heard, Ottawa doesn’t have enough police to stop it.
This all has to do with freedom. It has a direct bearing on our freedoms. We shouldn’t let ourselves be manipulated by anyone. The people of Canada need to stand for these truckers and support them. Truckers are the most important people for our economy right now. –A. R.
You Are a Great Resource:
February 10, 2022
You guys are a great resource of written back history for sure and there is none like you.
Thank you for your answers and getting back to me on all counts. I appreciate it. I received your email about the person wanting to talk to me and I am getting ready to email them.
By the way, I LOVE that you include The HighWire info on your site for people to follow. I have been listening to Robert Kennedy Jr. and Del Bigtree (of the HW) for a long time now. –Former PCG member
Comment: A new show is aired on The HighWire every Thursday at 11 a.m. PST. There are always shorter segments from the Episodes later. Download the Brave or Opera app to watch as Firefox and others give buffering problems, or watch The HighWire on Rumble.
Royal Vision Nothing But a Propaganda Machine:
February 12, 2022
The Royal Vision (free to outsiders) is nothing but a propaganda machine. The January-February 2022 issue with article by GF “Who Can But Prophecy? starts out imitating HWA’s autobiography style and methodology, except beginning from his boyhood, as HWA did, he starts from right before he was fired from WCG in 1989. This article showed GF was trying to be exactly like HWA in telling his “story.” He went over how he “stood alone”; how most of them didn’t believe him at the Bible study he gave, but God was giving him new revelation (even though he “didn’t fully realize it at the time”); that God was “conditioning” him for what lay ahead; he knew he had to speak about what God was showing him (Malachi’s Message) and how when you have “just one man in an enterprise with God” great things happen. It was all about how God works with people like him, and he bragged about what all he has accomplished since then. The clear signs of a narcissist/sociopath are there.
The leaders of the PCG have shown they can’t do anything but lie. Even where the 72 chapter Autobiography of Herbert W. Armstrong is published on the Trumpet website, they lie by saying HWA (1892-1986) “was one of the most prominent religious leaders of the 20th century, watched, read and followed by millions worldwide.” I have no way of knowing how many “followed” him, but he certainly was not one of the “most prominent religious leaders of the 20th century.” If you do a search for those words, you will come up with names like Swami Vivekananda, Billy Graham, Dalai Lama, Karl Barth, various Popes, Mother Theresa, John R. Mott, and others. Nothing is mentioned of Herbert W. Armstrong. He didn’t even make the top 10 religious leaders of the 20th century, nor the ten most influential Christians of the 20th century. I think we all know what the Scriptures say about liars. –AJW
Dennis Leap and His Twisted Valentine’s Day Article:
February 14, 2021
Dennis Leap, the PCG minister who once stood on a table and shouted [refer to January 14 letter above], wrote an article in February 2019 entitled, “Find True Love On Valentine’s Day.”
After going through all the pagan history of the day he says: “It is a festival for lust-filled people full of covetousness, not lovers.” He likewise said: “A recent survey conducted by pcm Lifestyle showed that when men were asked what they wanted for Valentine’s Day, 70 percent of those surveyed said all they wanted was sex.” That might be what Dennis Leap wants, but it is not what all men would say they wanted.
PCG will always focus on “here is the truth about” such and such day. This causes the reader to have doubts, then become isolated from the rest of society, finally becoming more firmly entrenched in the literature where fear overtakes them to the point that they end up believing if they are “not obedient” (i.e., to PCG government) they will be cursed and “struck down by God.” If this were true, everyone that left PCG (or who dared to observe Valentine’s Day), would be cursed and/or struck down by God. But because Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:13) having taking our punishment and guilt upon Himself, what Leap says is a lie.
Leap tells us: “…God has seven festivals—also known as love feasts.” This is another lie. The holy days observed in the O.T. were never referred to as “love feasts.” Got Questions in their article, “What is a love feast?” says: “A love feast or agape feast was a fellowship meal eaten by Christians in the early church.”
Leap finishes his article by saying “This Valentine’s Day, do something different: Open your Bible and begin to study Leviticus 23.” and that “will give you details concerning God’s festivals”–which evidently, according to Leap, are supposed to show us true love.
Leap knows to do nothing but lie and twist Scripture. The N. T. church is no longer under the Mosaic Law. Paul says in Galatians 3:10 that anyone who teaches a gospel that mixes law and grace is under a curse. So isn’t it PCG and ministers who are under a curse?
The site For What Saith the Scriptures? in their article, “Should Christians Celebrate Valentine’s Day?” says we really have no idea who exactly Saint Valentine was and historians disagree as to who he was–if he existed at all, even though it [Valentine’s Day] is “definitely attached to heathen Roman religion” but the brief background on history.com it says is “murky.” This article does not try and tell us what to do, except it mentions we should avoid commercialism. The decision as to whether or not to observe Valentine’s Day up to us and God. The article brings us not to God’s festivals, as Leap wants to do, but to see God’s unconditional love. “We look to Calvary’s cross, Christ’s finished crosswork, to see God’s love on clear display. His only begotten Son offering His life at Calvary so He could then offer us eternal life, that is the greatest gift.”
True love is found in Christ. There was nothing like that mentioned in Dennis Leap’s twisted article. –article critiqued by L. S.
Comment: Read ESN’s Q&A: Should we observe”pagan” holidays?
February 16, 2022
While listening to GF’s latest sermon given at HQ on February 5 (“The Antiochus / Obama Warfare”), I was just sickened when I realized where exactly HWA and subsequently GF modeled their organizations after.
In the sermon, GF said HWA wrote some powerful articles on communism in the early 50’s and 60’s. Please notice this quote–an exact quote–of GF quoting HWA describing communism:
“A ruthless totalitarian dictatorship. It is run with absolute power, a few men at the top, all of whom are completely subservient to one man who is dictator absolute. This one man dictatorship is supposed to be necessary because there may be different interpretations of the Marxist philosophy. Therefore, to prevent division they must have a supreme interpreter.”
The above quote came from an article by Herbert Armstrong in the 1962 Plain Truth:
“It is a ruthless, totalitarian dictatorship. It is run with absolute power by a few men at the top–all of whom are completely subservient to one man who is Dictator Absolute! This one-man dictatorship is supposed to be necessary because there may be different interpretations of the Marxist philosophy. Therefore, to prevent division, they must have a Supreme interpreter (“Communism, ‘Christianity’ and Double Talk” by Herbert W. Armstrong, February 1962 Plain Truth, p. 26)
If this doesn’t describes the PCG “church” government precisely, then nothing does! And just like communism, everyone is required to protect the government structure at all costs. Anyone who questions or stands up against that government and its injustices that the government inflicts, are immediately “dealt” with.
Upon further research from HWA’s own mouth. (Which I highly recommend everyone do). I came across a co-worker letter from February 1st, 1939. In this letter it shows HWA’s original form of governance–completely different from today. He later changed it when he realized he had to have complete control! [Note by ESN: You can also read it here: Did Christ Reorganize the Church? (February 1939 Good News article showing Herbert Armstrong condemned hierarchal church government in his early years.) [offsite article in PDF]
Then, notice a co-worker letter from November 24, 1967. In here, HWA describes in his own words how he began to study and research communism! Here’s a quote to get you started:
“I knew the Communist purpose and goal. I knew the Communists methods and tactics. I knew their philosophies and teachings. I knew how actual Party members are yielded completely to Communist Party discipline, obedient at any cost–willing to make any sacrifice for it.” (November 24, 1967 Brethren & Co-Worker Letter from Herbert W. Armstrong)
PCG members, did you know this?? Tell me you’re not living this? Prospective members do you know this??
HWA also stated in the above referenced co-worker letter that he had arranged to receive regular weekly bulletins, containing inside information in regard to communist’s activities in the USA.
“In the early years of The WORLD TOMORROW broadcast, beginning 1934, I had an arrangement with a secret investigator, working in connection with a major city police department, to receive regular weekly bulletins, containing inside information in regard to Communist activities in this country.” (November 24, 1967 Brethren & Co-worker Letter from Herbert W. Armstrong)
You can find these co-worker letters all over the internet, but I like to use this site because I know they are legitimate [Note by ESN: Dates to the co-worker letters are on the left side in the box.] This site has all HWA’s original material) Please do your research. Look into the history!
PCG government was designed after communism. HWA and GF may claim that communism is the counterfeit of God’s government. Nowhere in the Bible is this form of government described or used.
Note by ESN: Our section on Herbert W. Armstrong/Questioning HWA’s background will have links to how HWA studied into communism and also his studying Mein Kampf.
Reading HWA’s Co-Worker Letters Was Eye-Opening:
February 18, 2022
Shortly after we were kicked out of PCG, we went back and read from the beginning the co-worker letters by HWA. We were mind blown at what we were reading: the desperate attempts to get money, telling people to take out loans. How HWA covered for Garner Ted over and over again. The house in Lake Tahoe; the planes, personal drivers, salaries, extravagant trips and all the while telling the people they need to give more! And sacrifice more! It was shocking! All the predictions and failed prophecies he made. It was all very eye opening to us. –Former PCG members
GF and SF’s Pictures:
February 22, 2022
It’s so noticeable how GF and SF look in their pictures that this comes up from time to time. GF looks mean and gruff. One person recently told me that they felt GF “sneered” in his picture on his “church” site. While SF used to smile back in the days when he was younger and had a beard–believe it or not, according to images I found of him–today on some sites they are posting a younger photo of him (SF) that is not up to date as he is actually getting fat in his face now. Don’t be surprised if they don’t start posting a younger picture of Gerald Flurry just like PCG has done with HWA. Sincere people I’ve known always have a nice wide friendly smile on their faces. I can’t imagine what GF would look like if he actually smiled and showed his teeth. Seriously, though, I’m sure both of them smile idiotically when they are counting all the cash that comes in from those they see as the “suckers.” They are both so incredibly evil. How could someone not be who has no feeling at all for the innocent lives they are scamming and destroying? –P.
I Want to Leave PCG But the Man I’m Dating Wants to Stay:
February 24, 2022
The article by Cliff [Why It’s Hard to Leave Philadelphia Church of God] was really good and he is spot on with the way people think and feel being in the PCG. I want to leave, as I realize what PCG is really like and I don’t want to be under their control anymore. However, the man I am dating wants to stay, believing if we are patient God will work everything out and we will be together which is what I want, for us to be together. I love him and don’t want to be separated. So I feel torn between staying and hoping we can marry someday, or leaving and maybe never seeing him again or hoping he will leave as well. I suppose if I stay there, I may not be together with him anyway though and I don’t want to stay in the PCG anyway.
We were told we would never see our families again, we’d be kicked out and that we’d be doomed to live miserable lives if we decided to stay together and marry. –[name withheld]
Excerpts from our reply: “While in PCG (and WCG), we had the mindset of “God will work everything out.” Whenever we were disturbed with questions and problems that weren’t being solved, or didn’t seem to have an answer, the ministers would tell us these words, and in turn we would tell them to ourselves. In most cases it didn’t really give a solution and many people went on suffering.
“…. Your boyfriend will have to decide which is more important–PCG “government” (which means loyalty to Gerald Flurry’s decisions and putting the organization first)–or his love for you and his future children. I know you say you love him, but perhaps you might have a serious talk with him and find out what would be expected of you as his wife (submissive at all times? obeying everything he says? being under his control? etc.) …
“When PCG ministers tell you (or anyone) that you will be “doomed to live miserable lives” if you decide to stay together and marry, these words are what all controlling, exploitive groups tell their members if they are thinking of leaving. It is a fear method to keep people from leaving so that the leader can continue to financially exploit members.
“I would recommend that you read more articles on our site; e.g., Testimonies By Those Impacted by PCG … Our purpose is to help others. May Christ guide you in making the best decision.” [end of excerpts]
GF and SF Show No Empathy for Those Suffering in Ukraine:
February 25, 2022
I listened briefly to some of SF’s Trumpet Daily about Ukraine and read some of GF’s February 24 article in the PT. As usual, there was nothing showing any empathy for the people suffering in Ukraine, nor for the Americans stranded there. He doesn’t even have empathy for the members of his PCG. How on earth could he have empathy for anyone else? It was all about “Bible Prophecy Comes Alive in Ukraine!” (the title of his article) while having a graphic picture of a bloodied woman (no doubt to shock his readers). It is always about how we are “headed to WWIII.”
GF boasted that he had been warning about this for two decades. He labeled Putin as the prophesied “Prince of Russia” and wanted others to send away for his booklet (written in 2017) with that title. He said “Vladimir Putin is a sign, literally a SIGN, that Jesus Christ is about to return!” How could it be a sign when the Tribulation has not even begun? Christ’s second visible appearing won’t be until at the end of the 7-year Tribulation. But according to GF, we are always to be looking for a “sign.”
Then GF went into the “German-led Holy Roman Empire” and “the coming world war.” This is all supposed to be “good news” when it reality it is all meant to terrify his readers about the Great Tribulation and how “it is just a few short years away”–words exactly as HWA continually would say. That’s all the TD and PT articles are based on: sensationalism and fear–along with building excitement concerning future prophecies. Fear does not come from God (I John 4:18), but GF knows how to use it to manipulate people. –L. S.
Comment: Putin is another NWO globalist.
Fred Dattolo Perverts Ephesians 1 & 2:
February 27, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
GF Gives Another Boring Antiochus Sermon:
March 4, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Dwight Falk Uses Clever Way to Increase Holy Day Offerings:
March 7, 2022
Dwight Falk, in his authoritarian and non-empathetic voice, gave a Sermonette: “Help Through Offerings” where he used a clever way to manipulate members into giving more money for their holy day offerings. He started off reading an email that he said they received from a lady in Canada who is a subscriber but not a member and read her words which said, “We really need our Prophet to speak on the Russian issue. Help, pastor Flurry!” He based his entire sermonette on this two sentence email and said this is how members’ holy day offerings help people like her (who are” crying out for help”) and that they (PCG) only have a “short time” before there is a famine of the Word. He quoted Jesus’ words in John 9:4 about working “before the night cometh” to insinuate PCG only had a short time left.
He also quoted Ezekiel 33:33: “And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them” to associate the words “prophet” and “among them” with GF. Even though GF takes upon himself the name “Ezekiel” as one of his many titles, Falk conveniently didn’t mention that even though the people in Ezekiel’s day would sit and listen to Ezekiel when he was prophesying about the fall of Jerusalem (which happened), it had no effect whatsoever on the people, as they didn’t heed what he said.
So what is GF going to get out of all this if America is destroyed? Only a smug satisfaction that “he was right”? Hoping people will say, “Oh, GF was a true prophet?” And where will GF be at this time? Hiding in an underground bunker somewhere? Overseas at Edstone? For certain, he won’t be in the place of safety in Adullam. Most will not even remember GF except his followers who would no doubt be in a panic. I think of Psalms 118:8: “It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.” This whole thing is a crock of nonsense from a power-mad leader and is only to keep the money flowing into their coffers. –Anonymous
Was HWA Influenced by the Practices of Edward Bernays?
March 8, 2022
There has recently been some discussion on various sites that follow WCG splinter group news about HWA’s possible influence from Communist (Marxist) philosophy.
I remember reading in his autobiography about being an advertising man and trying to write effective headlines for the soap industry (or perhaps it was dry-cleaning).
There was another prominent thinker around this time, Edward Bernays, who is considered the ‘father of public relations’. Bernays was also heavily influenced by Marxist thought.
Bernays was actually quite nefarious, and wrote about bending the public’s will by shaping the narrative. He was less concerned about effective communication than brain washing the masses.
My question is: do you know of any mentions of Edward Bernays in HWA’s writings, or any other insinuation that HWA may have been influenced by the practices of Bernays? –Former PCG member [name withheld]
Reply: Our section Herbert W. Armstrong/”Questioning HWA’s background” has links that show HWA studied Communism.
HWA (according to his autobiography) wrote headlines for the soap industry, not dry-cleaning.
Edward Bernays used propaganda to condition the masses. We have not found that he is mentioned in HWA’s writings; however, HWA definitely used propaganda techniques from the very beginning. (Do a search for the word propaganda on our site and it will come up in many places.) Whether HWA was influenced by the practices of Edward Bernays, we do not know, but wouldn’t be surprised if he was.
Flurry in Jerusalem:
March 11, 2022
I just heard that “King Flurry” is in Jerusalem. He left on Sunday March 6th and will be returning Sunday March 13th. –[name withheld]
Wayne Turgeon and GF’s Messed Up View of Bible Prophecy:
March 12, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
March 15, 2022
Here are some math facts to consider about GF’s jet plane: (Gerry=GF; Steve=SF)
1. Gerry’s G450 holds 4,370 US gallons of fuel.
2. It gets 5000 miles per tank.
3. OKC to Jerusalem is 8,663 miles.
According to globalair.com, the average cost per gallon of jet fuel (in the central USA) is $5.18/gallon. To fill Gerry’s 4370 gallon tank for approximately 5000 miles costs $22,636.00. Jerusalem is approximately 8660 miles away. So a one-way trip, fuel only, no international fees, pilots costs, airport fees etc., is a cool $39,205.00. Round trip is $78,410.00 fuel only!
(These numbers are not exact but are definitely well in the ball park)
I was in the PCG for many decades and I can assure you there are very few people who even make $78,410.00 a year.
While Gerry is gallivanting to the Middle East on the members’ dime, most struggle to fill their tanks, put food on the table and put off dental care. And for what?? A library in Jerusalem. He’s going to educate the Jews on their history. He’s trying to hobnob with some archaeologist, following in HWA’s footsteps. This involves payoffs to insert a few students into a dig so he can fool the members into thinking they are a part of something significant in order to keep them chasing the ever-moving horizon, and lining his, Steve’s, and Laura’s pockets.
At the moment, a business class ticket from Oklahoma City to Jerusalem is $4,900.00 round trip. For under 5K, Gerry can fly comfortably, enjoying all the food he desires, and can get as drunk as he likes without having to worry about bribing any Oklahoma police officers. –Former PCG member [name withheld]
Comment: Read: Why “That Prophet” Really Needed a Corporate Jet (letter to ESN)
GF in a Boring Sermon Gives Updates About His Jerusalem Trip:
March 19, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Why Didn’t SF Get Sick on the Same Food?
March 20, 2022
Regarding the previous letter about GF getting violently sick in a restaurant and thought he was going to die. I almost dropped on my knees and said Hallelujah, but then I realized his son would take the helm. I think this “getting sick” occurrence is so odd because if it was food poisoning he should have gone to a doctor. (On the other hand, I’m sure he has a doctor in the wings to come to his room). Also, why didn’t SF get sick on the same food?? Something is fishy in Denmark. I wouldn’t put it past SF to slip something into GF’s food (or a drink) to do away with his dad, so he could take over the reigns. I’m sure he’s itching for full control of the PCG empire. I wonder what path SF would take if GF did kick the bucket? Same as GF, or change things up a bit? Maybe I’m awful, but I think it was a shame GF lived to talk about this. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
I Am Finding So Many Things Wrong With the PCG:
March 23, 2022
I wish to thank the ESN for exposing the PCG. I have been in fear for years.
I know that CDs are being burned; the ministers have been moving around. But I don’t know what happened to the minister, Jim Cocomise. Last I heard, he just went somewhere else. Now I believe that Cal Culpepper is in Texas, replacing Cocomise. I find that suspicious as I was told that there were not supposed to be any more ministers moving around since it was near “The End.”
I have also been finding things wrong with the doctrine. It’s one thing to make a simple mistake or accident because we are all human, but another to preach the doctrine and live against it with the knowledge of doing so. [Here are some things:]
Medicine and healing, yet alternative medicine is allowed; i.e., Gerald Flurry’s lemon water for health. Also, GF had his leg “wrapped” for awhile. He has a circulation or vein problem. Laura Turgeon (GF’ daughter) had her last baby, Micha via C-section in the hospital.
And this “church” claims to follow Herbert Armstrong’s teachings. HWA always had to correct what he preached. He had to always change or edit what he said and blames those who followed him. This cannot be the one true church. Especially the medical doctrine.
The unaccredited college [Herbert W. Armstrong College] that trains people to “live,” and for men to join around the ministry. Even when there are not supposed to be any new ministers anymore because it is “The End” as claimed by members.
The failed prophecies or “it wasn’t meant to be interpreted that way. Not in a literal sense.”
There are so many things.
I have found more peace with the knowledge that the PCG is a lie. I thank the ESN and everyone writing their letters for helping me re-evaluate my life. I now pray that my loved ones get out. May God help them. –Impacted by PCG [name withheld]
Hardships for Older Members in PCG:
March 24, 2022
In the PCG, 60% of the membership are 50 years of age or older. It a hardship for these older members that are on a fixed income, especially since GF is going to expect his usual “large offering” for the upcoming holy days. These members are already paying an unbiblical tithe, and some are needing to drive long distances to attend services, which is even an extra hardship because of the high gas prices. I pray more of them will wake up from their blindness and realize they can be free of these burdens and have a meaningful, loving relationship with a God who truly loves them. –[name withheld]
What Caused Me to Leave PCG:
March 25, 2022
In reading others’ stories, I wanted tell mine and what was the final nail in the coffin to my leaving PCG. … [name withheld]
NOTE: Read this person’s story: “Elderly Member in PCG Gaslighted.”
Member Fears “We’re All Going to Die” Since Covid is Spread on Flowers:
March 26, 2022
My 88 year old mother-in-law is a member of PCG. She told me yesterday that “we are all going to die from Covid because it is being spread on flowers.” I left her son over a year ago; he would not join, although his brother did. I have heard so much nonsense over 33 years it is astounding.
Many times I have heard my husband ask her a question about the Bible and her reply would be that “Mr. Armstrong said this or Mr. Flurry said that,” but not what the Bible said because every thing was misinterpreted. I am grateful I grew up in a Methodist church and learned of the true love of Jesus and his amazing grace. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Had it With All This Fear and Lies:
March 27, 2022
GF’s “one true church” is based on two things: big lies and bigger fear. I can’t help but see a parallel between their constant rhetoric and the outbreak of Covid. We were first told (with Covid), “We’re are all going to die!” With PCG it’s “You’re are going to die if you don’t return to the Law and aren’t in PCG!”
I’ve so had it with all this fear and lies. It’s not about health or saving our own hides; it’s about control and taking away our freedoms. More people are getting wise to it.
GF & SF are constantly pushing what HWA would say: “America is going to be destroyed by a nuclear bomb and those remaining will be taken as slaves to Germany.” Equally, these frauds in PCG will take some little nit-picky thing that they say HWA predicted and then proclaim, “He was right!” [Read: “The Philadelphia Trumpet is Boasting” and especially the reply.] HWA, GF & SF may go down in history as three of the biggest liars there ever were, especially considering the number of ruined lives.
If we have Jesus in our day to day lives, there shouldn’t be any need for all this fear. Instead, we should have hope, but not the “hope” that GF booms out at the beginning of each Trumpet program, which sounds so asinine! Jonathan Brentner has concisely written on his blog time and again that we are getting closer to the Tribulation. That may well be true. I miss Don Koenig, who was very insightful, although he has been quite ill.
We’ve been fed so many lies, I can’t even begin to cover them all. –A.R.
Comment from ESN: Don Koenig was/is a much better source for prophecy than SF or GF. We have linked to many articles by him. His latest post is here: “Will the Russian invasion of Ukraine end with the war of Ezekiel 38 & 39?”
Daryl Hope Tells What the Ten Directives for the End Times Are:
March 27, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
GF and SF Are Hypocrites:
March 27, 2022
Laura Turgeon (GF’s daughter) had her last baby, Micha via C-section in the hospital. Amy, SF’s wife had both babies at home in very dysfunctional setting. I mean who in their right mind wants their brother there, front and center to see the birth?? And he was just gushing about what an amazing experience it was to watch his niece and nephew being born. That’s just sick and dysfunctional.
Also a much lesser known fact, because they desperately tried to hide this, when SF and Amy’s daughter was about 4 or 5, they took her in to have her tonsils removed. She was having problems with her ears. So while everyone else is told to rely on God and let God heal them, don’t go to doctors, etc., off goes SF and Amy with Vienna. So hypocritical!! –Former PCG member
GF and His Babbling Co-worker/Dear Brethren Letter:
March 28, 2002
I heard that Bible Study by Deryl Hope. [see March 27 letter] He ended by going over, in boring detail, all the 7 churches in Revelation.
In his January 27, 2022 co-worker/dear brethren letter, GF, like a babbling madman, took 11 pages to cover lampstands, lamps, Laodiceans; how Jerusalem is important; how they are important, how they are royalty; how the church is royalty; how the church has a commission.
On page 10 he said, “It is getting very close to Christ’s return. We have a lot of work to do in a short time. An important part of that involves our work in Jerusalem.”
On page 11 he ended with, “We have to go the world and Israel especially, and the cities of Judah, and say Behold your God! That means Jesus Christ is about to return! That is the main message we deliver to them. What could be more exciting and wonderful? BEHOLD YOUR GOD!”
That’s all he can focus on right now. –S.
Feast Sites So Far for US and Canada:
March 30, 2022
There will only be 5 Feast sites in the US this year instead of 6 and the only non US sites listed are Tweed Heads, AU and Baguio City, Philippines [added 5-12-22] [international sites not open for transfer].
This will be the last year for the Poconos and Phoenix, AZ. They won’t be going back to PA next year either.
Here are the Feast sites so far for this year for the US and Canada:
Panama City Beach, FL
Tannersville (Poconos), PA
Sault Ste. Marie, ON, Canada
Edmonton, AB, Canada
Many PCG Members Experiencing Health Problems:
April 1, 2022
It was announced at a Bible study in PCG recently that many members are experiencing “health trials” (i.e., health problems) right now. You can guarantee that they are not going to doctors since they are taught against it. I know of only a few that have seen a doctor, but that is without the minister’s knowledge. Many are choosing to suffer instead of getting help. I’m sure there will be an unknown number who will die needlessly, yet we won’t hear about it, except for the usual “they didn’t have enough faith.” GF and SF, and who knows how many other hypocritical ministers, go to doctors since it is always “do as I say, but not as I do.” –[name withheld]
Brad Macdonald Lectures Singles on Serving Others in Place of Safety:
April 3, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
PCG Similar to Scientology in Its Tactics:
April 4, 2022
In re-watching the documentary, “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief,” its similarity with the PCG is remarkable.
Let me first qualify that in terms of core belief (purpose and doctrine) there is no comparison and Scientology is totally cuckoo. But the tactics of governance and control are incredibly similar. For any ex-PCG members, I dare you to watch it and not immediately make the connection as though you were watching a documentary which could easily be made about the PCG.
To note some of the most obvious similarities:
- Never ending undulation and worship of a dead man. PCG is obsessed with HWA (died January 16, 1986). Scientology worships L. Ron Hubbard (LRH) (died January 24, 1986) as though he is still alive.
- Ecstatic claims made when they won their court battle. Scientology declared “the war is over” as they avoided a billion dollar tax bill. GRF claims divine intervention and prophetic fulfillment because they could print a version of MOA.
- Both have sunk millions in building an exclusive compound.
- PCG’s use of catchphrases like “disfellowship” and “marked” being their version of Scientology’s “suppressive person.”
- “Us versus the world” mentality and exclusivity for members only to be granted eternal positions of power
- “No contact” rules of PCG being their version of Scientology’s “disconnect” when cutting off anyone who left, got kicked out, or disagrees.
- Preventing members from having contact with the world, or reading anything that might criticize the church. Members seem ignorant to what’s going on around them. Questioning the church or its leaders is strictly prohibited for fear of being disfellowshipped. Members must have unwavering loyalty to a man.
- Always saying that “time is almost up” and “last minute of the last hour,” to keep members loyal to a carrot on a stick.
- Prolific writing where members simply cannot read or digest any other literature. Have a look at the massive list of PCG literature every member is required to read, re-read and memorize. That is added to HWA’s entire catalogue. LRH is credited with the Guinness World Record for most prolific writer because of his years writing science fiction.
- Always pushing for more and more income from its members. Leaders live in absolute luxury while no assistance is ever given to the poor. Just keep milking them.
- As one ex-Scientologist said, “we would have died for the old man [LRH].” This is exactly how most, if not all PCG members would think about GRF. This is what they are being conditioned to think when some crazy announcement is made.
- No matter how cruel a minister is, the finger of blame is always on yourself.
- Claiming to have a great positive presence in the world when those who know you think you are a crazy little cult.
As I said earlier, there is no doctrinal comparison between the two, but the blend of worshiping a corpse (HWA vs. LRH) and mad hunger for power (Flurry vs. Miscavige) is remarkably similar. The devil’s tactics can be found everywhere. –B. A.
Comments: Most destructive groups use similar tactics. See: Identifying Marks of an Abusive Group. PCG members not only have a fear of disfellowshipment, but a fear of other things such as missing the Place of Safety and ending up in the Great Tribulation, fear of being cast into the Lake of Fire, and the fear of losing God. For more of their fears, read: “Why do they stay in these groups?” (Q&A).
Feast Sites Show PCG’s Population Shrinking:
April 8, 2022
You’re still doing good work in exposing the offshoots, specifically the PCG. I appreciate that a lot. And I most certainly appreciate the letter-sender detailing their Feast sites. [see 3-30 letter] This is a good gauge of how their population is shrinking, not growing. I would appreciate it if you could give us continuous updates, especially non-US sites. Thanks and appreciate what you do. –S.
Left PCG and Never Been Happier:
April 9, 2022
Thank you Exit Support Network™, creators of this site, for providing an avenue for real truth and leading people to Christ.
It is too many to mention how much we have been transformed in our thinking by the writers that you have here and others you so generously have given.
I am writing now so as to personally thank you all for this great benefit of finding truth. I would love to especially thank Kelly Marshall and William Hohmann.
I have left the PCG, and have never been happier.
Thank you all! –[name withheld]
My Life Became a Living Nightmare After GF’s Abuse:
April 12, 2022
I’m probably the reason GF left the Worldwide Church of God in Oklahoma City so fast. My husband (now my ex) and I had been trying to counsel for marriage issues. Then on a holy day, I was in the mother’s room with several other women, listening to Flurry’s sermon. And I told the whole bunch that he was not following headquarters. I was crying. Someone left the room and his wife came back she never said a word.
Time passed. Until right before the Feast of Tabernacles that I had talked my husband into going to talk with GF about our problems. Flurry left my husband to judge my attitude to see if I needed to be out out of the “church.” My husband came home and a fight proceeded with me calling my folks who came up in the middle of the night to get me and the kids. My parents lived [clipped] miles away. Several days passed. And my husband called and talked to my mother. If I was not back at the house by a certain time to take Flurry’s phone call, I would be out “out of the church.” I went back and he let me know I was undermining his authority.
I forgot, but remembered just now. Flurry had every deacon and elder and their wives after the incident sit in the mother’s room to make sure no one else talked. My life became a living nightmare. Not only at services. But at my home. It was like a battlefield. I later was diagnosed with PTSD. –[name withheld]
Comment: This person has received a personal response. CPTSD is very common after suffering extended abuse. It is covered here: Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
PCG Talking About Our Past Sins:
April 16, 2022
During Days of Unleavened Bread GF and his ministers like to talk about how Christ only died for our past sins. (Romans 3:25) Do you have anything to refute this? –N. K.
Reply: This has been added to our Q &A under “Did Christ die for only our past sins?” which then links to a 2020 letter where Brian Davis talked about this during the Days of Unleavened Bread. The letter is entitled: “Messed Up View of Sin by GF” and will explain this verse. This topic is also covered on several other places on our site.
PCG Coerces Members for More Money During Days of Unleavened Bread:
April 22, 2022
I was able to hear the Offertory for 2021 that PCG uploaded for members since they only upload sermons from the previous year. I am sure that this year the Offertory was no different. It would be good if you could add this to the 2021 letters for April 3:
On the Last Day of Unleavened Bread, which was a double Sabbath, in the AM, the Offertory was announced by Fred Dattolo. Here are some of the things he said as he coerced members into giving more money to PCG.
“I’m going to ask you to part with some of your hard-earned money to sacrifice for God’s Work.” He told them to “realize how much we are helping people” and then he read an email that he said was “received just a few weeks before.” This “email” was so lavish in praise that one could easily tell it was made up. And he said they get “thousands like it.”
Dattolo talked about “loving the world” when he knows nothing about it since PCG has broken up countless families.
“We are giving offerings because we love people.” He said “God shares.” (Therefore, members should “share” their money.) He even said they should replace the word “God” in John 3:16 where it says “God so loved the world that he gave…” with their name. “We are imbued with God’s love and that’s why we give offerings.” He told how this takes sacrifice.
Few realize their offerings are going into the leader’s pockets. And any money used for broadcasting the Key of David or mailing out their Trumpet magazine is for the purpose of recruiting more co-workers and members so that they will send more money to the leader’s pockets, especially GF and SF’s pockets.
“We have truth that will save lives.” He said that in the September/October 2014 Royal Vision Gerald Flurry said this Work is going to save lives and that 50% of the Laodiceans are going to repent (in the Tribulation) and they couldn’t do it without PCG’s message and how God is “using them.”
It was all about what PCG had done and the cost of all of it to mail out.
H.D. offerings last year increased more than 14% than the year before he said and he hinted that he didn’t know if they could top that this year.
“We need to keep this up” he said. “If we sacrifice for God now in this life, we will be Christ’s bride forever.”
This is totally opposite of what the Bible says. The gift of God (eternal life) is a free gift. We cannot pay for a gift. But those in PCG must earn their salvation by various works of the Law. –Anonymous
Comment: We have placed the above letter on the 2021 letters under April 3.
Countless People Have Benefited:
April 22, 2022
There are countless people who have benefited from from your site in some way. –R. U.
HQ’s Lake Level is Way Down:
April 25, 2022
When I checked PCG headquarters’ webcam, it shows that their lake is way down.[Note: Read Oct 8, 2022 letter where it says the lake is almost bone dry.] I can’t help but think that God is punishing them. They are experiencing some of that drought OK is having. Here is the link to go see the “shrinking lake”: Live Weather Camera located on top of HWAC Radio Tower. Keep in mind that this image is updated every 5 minutes so if it is viewed at night you won’t be able to see it. Even if they do get some light rain (which is forecast for next week), it isn’t going to fill their lake up anytime soon. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Janet Dattolo, Wife of Fred Dattolo, Dies:
April 29, 2022
Janet Dattolo wife of Fred Dattolo died April 19 of cancer. She had been suffering a lot and probably received no pain medication. She died in her home with family around her. A memorial service is planned for May 1. –Anonymous
Comment: Read: Philadelphia Church of God is a Sick System! which lists several other wives that have died in PCG. Also read April 6, 2008 letter to ESN which tells how several wives of PCG ministers and deacons have died of several forms of cancer, or various illness and maladies
Ryan Malone and His “Give and Get Way” Sermon:
May 2, 2022
Ryan Malone jabbered away in a April 23 sermon directed at singles entitled “Harmony” where he covered the “give and the get way” (coined by HWA) and the “principles of fundamentals of good relationships.” He said the subject was “a spiritual one.”
This sermon, as most PCG sermons, wasn’t worth giving the time of day to and even though he said it was “not about romantic relationships” it was definitely “philosophical” ramblings, throwing in a comparison to what he knew about music.
No sermon has ever been given without quoting HWA, so he had to quote from (drum roll) The Incredible Human Potential and mentioned HWA’s book on The Missing Dimension in Sex which, from my understanding, was only for married couples to read.
“Two can’t walk together unless one is in control.”
Do you still have that article about putting the give way to the test? –M. A.
Comment: That article was recently posted as We Were Promised We Would Be Blessed by Tithing (originally entitled “We Put the ‘Give Way’ to the Test” on our first site.) We have now added those last words as a sub title.
Another Split That Thinks It Is the Philadelphia Church of Revelation:
May 3, 2022
All the WCG splits out there are overwhelming. When I wrote how I discovered one that called themselves “The Worldwide Church of God” [See April 28 letter above], I later came across another one that I thought at first was GF’s PCG, but then I realized they called themselves only “The Philadelphia Church” without the words “of God” on the end.
In Revelation we read that the messages John gave to those seven churches are addressed unto “the angel” of the church not “to such and such church” and the churches are either addressed as “the church of” (i.e., Ephesus; the Laodiceans) or “the church in” (Smyrna; Pergamos; Thyatira; Sardis; Philadelphia (NIV says in Laodicea). No words “of God” tacked on to the end.
If HWA hadn’t named his church the “Radio Church OF GOD” when he first started out, I seriously doubt if many of these Armstrong splits would have “of God” at the end of their name. You can usually recognize them by those words “of God” at the end or “Church of God” at the beginning. There are so many splits today–even those that cloak themselves as being “educational”–that it is no telling anymore what they have named themselves, plus many are now defunct.
But getting back to the church that calls themselves “The Philadelphia Church,” that would be a more accurate name. Nevertheless, it is still another splinter group of WCG and has very similar doctrines, some of which are quite heretical. The founder of the site is now dead although his wife has tried to maintain it.
It truly is sickening the twisted, dead-end path one man, Herbert Armstrong, has taken deceived people down. –A. R.
Comment: As we say in our article “Where Is the True Church?” those who have placed their faith and trust in Christ Jesus alone as their personal Savior are already in the “true church.” (I John 5:13)
Gates Spreading Fear Porn Again:
May 3, 2022
B. Gates has come out with a warning that a “more deadly variant could emerge” that will be “more fatal than the other variants” and “we haven’t even seen the worst of it” because it might “mutate again” and it “would be even more transmissive and even more fatal.” Sorry, I’m not buying his bull anymore. More was let out of the bag when he told where we are headed: “To tackle the situation in advance, he stressed the need for increased global surveillance.” That smacks of the NWO which is coming. Instead of succumbing to fear porn from evil NWO globalists, we must maintain our hope in the imminent return of our Savior for His church. –T. S.
Comment: For those interested, there is a new offsite article by Jonathan Brentner linked on What’s New, entitled: Transhumanism: The Evil Force Behind the New World Order.
PCG’s Constantly Shrinking Membership:
May 6, 2022
The only PCG site they are allowing for international transfers this year is England. They have also reduced the number of American feast sites. With their constantly shrinking membership, they know that they can keep more money headed their direction in excess 2nd tithe etc, if they keep the majority of the people close to home and not spending more on international travel. –T. C.
Only One International Transfer Open for PCG Members This Year:
May 6, 2022
Yes, Gerald Flurry said those words [see previous letter] in his sermon that he gave on the Last Day of Unleavened bread. Anyway, he said the only site open for international transfer was England. They are having a site in Australia but according to GF it’s not open to transfer. too.
Also. it’s funny that Jerusalem is so important to them and God, and they are going to be doing such great work there–but they can’t even have a feast there. –G. I.
GF Talking About Curses:
May 7, 2022
GF in his sermon on Last Day of Unleavened Day (“God’s Archaeology Project”) told how “God” was behind this work in Jerusalem and how important it was. He was also reading from the curses in Deuteronomy and talking about the Law of Moses, which was ridiculous. Also, how he said, “We are here because we have rejected the curses.” He said, “We are about ready to head into the promised land!” He is totally off his rocker. –Anonymous
PCG Brings Over Irish Dancer John Carey:
May 10, 2022
I think most members don’t realize this, and the ones who do are silenced due to the punishment that would come for even questioning it, let alone speaking up about it. But during spring break the “church” brought John Carey over from the UK to instruct the kids. John is an Oxford educated, Irish Dancer with his own school in Birmingham. He was Michael Flatley’s (Lord of the Dance lead) understudy.
I give you his background so people can fully understand where their hard earned money is going! This guy is expensive! But don’t forget to include not only his time, talent and instruction, but also his travel, accommodations and food!
While they will try to dupe their membership into thinking Amy’s and Jude’s little dance show is “the Work,” it simply is not.
Most of these members sacrifice dental care, basic needs and necessities etc.–for this! It’s so sad! –W. H.
Feast Site in Philippines:
May 12, 2022
PCG will have a feast site in Baguio City, Philippines. They have to have one In the Philippines as a good portion of the PCG membership is there. According to GF last week, the only one open for transfer is the UK. He didn’t say there are no international sites, just that they are just not allowing transfers. –Anonymous
Pulling the Shade Up to See Ourselves:
May 13, 2022
I just read the #43 Crazy Statement by a WCG minister who once told someone if God pulled the shade up they wouldn’t be able to stand themselves. That could apply to exactly what a PCG minister would say and makes me think about what if God pulled up the shade on one of them? (especially GF) Would they be able to stand themselves? They are so hardened, and their conscience so seared, they probably wouldn’t even care. –H. C.
May 13, 2022
The PCG is now paying Village Travel company, to drop a bus load of senior citizens off at their PCG HQ, as part of a southern bus tour.
This is awful because:
1. They are specifically targeting seniors! It is well known that senior members in their organization are their main source of income. Mostly through the estates that they pressure them to leave the PCG. Many families have been left little to no inheritance because of this and, if you know the Bible, this is 100% contrary to what it teaches.
2. This manipulates the members into thinking they are a large, impactful, impressive organization. If you were to interview random members, the majority of them are unaware that their total world wide membership is less than 4000 people, and an extreme few, worldwide, have ever even heard of them.
If you would like to contact the tour company and share with them how this cult has impacted you and your family, or share some of their extreme beliefs and behaviors they have, and hopefully help to prevent other senior citizens from being targeted, they can be reached at:
3021 NE 50th
Oklahoma City, Ok
An email contact form is available on:
–Former PCG member (name withheld)
“King Flurry” and “Prince Flurry” Show Their Ugly Mugs:
May 15, 2022
I was shown some pictures (from someone who recently distanced themselves from PCG) of “King Flurry” that was on PCG’s Peaceful Storms’ website and which were taken at the recent Senior Dinner and so wanted to forward to you. I was told by this person: “The only reason he is smiling/laughing is because everyone else is and he wouldn’t want to look different. He is getting bald! Sure doesn’t look like those younger pictures of himself on the PCG website.”
That is true because they want to hide his ugly mug from the public, but at least I got to see these pictures.
I also was sent a current picture (by the same person) of “Prince Flurry” at an AC Ladies Gala and a picture of some sad looking faces in the group. My contact said, “He looks horrid in that beard and with that scowly face!”
That is also true since SF is sporting a beard now. I know you can’t post these pictures but I wanted you to see them and to read my opinion. –[name withheld]
PCG and Their Color-Coordinated Seniors:
May 16, 2022
I don’t know if anyone has ever noticed, but it’s a weird thing PCG always does. Probably for uniformity and control and to foster a sense of belonging. But In the picture of Gerry [GF] and his wife with the oh, so tiny (12), graduating senior class, you may notice they are all color coordinated. Navy blue and pink. Probably some of the men spent money they didn’t have to go out and buy a pink tie for the occasion, or the women pink jackets, dresses with pink flowers in them, etc. So stupid, so controlling, and so sick. –[name withheld]
PCG Ministers Say Foolish Things in Their Sermons:
May 20, 2022
Those who have left PCG and studied law and grace, having their minds opened and are being freed from false teachings, will recognize the foolishness of some of the things PCG ministers say.
A sermon was given by Wik Heerma right after the Days of Unleavened Bread and was entitled, “Demystifying the Basic Mystery.” PCG continually quotes Herbert Armstrong. In it he told how HWA said: “The Holy Spirit in us is merely God’s law in action in our lives.” [False! The Holy Spirit in us will show us the things of Christ. (“All things that the Father has are Mine. Because of this I said that He [the Spirit] will take from what is Mine and will reveal it to you.” –John16:15 AMP) A good article is: What does the Holy Spirit do? (from Got Questions) Christians are no longer under the Law which was given to the nation of Israel. Read our article: Are We Still Under the Law in Spite of Grace?
Heerma went on to declare: “The Bible is not something we pick our way through, guessing what applies to our lives and what doesn’t.” [Comment: But in PCG’s case it is picking one’s way through the Bible as Scriptures are taken out of context and twisted in order to say what GF wants them to say.] For more understanding see our section on Grace & Law. –sermon reviewed by AJW
Joel Hilliker and His “Jonah” Bible Study:
May 21, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
GF’s Presumptions About Abraham Lincoln:
May 22, 2022
First, he informed members that a small dig in Jerusalem will begin June 1.
Here are some things GF said in his recent sermon “Lincoln’s Self Education”:
GF presumptuously declared that Abraham Lincoln “did not have God’s Holy Spirit,” even though he “studied the Bible,” “knew the Bible,” and was “trying to bring God in the picture in his own way.” According to “King” Flurry, no one in history that hasn’t been in the “true church” (as defined by HWA) could have God’s Spirit. It is a historical fact that Lincoln looked to God many times and prayed to Him. One informative article is: “Lincoln’s Faith in God” by Gordon Leidner of “Great American History.”
He said Lincoln “loved the Bible in his own way.” With GF it’s always about how other Christians (not in PCG or the “true church”) do things, especially anything spiritual, “in their own way.”
While he talked about “freedom and equality,” those inside PCG have neither.
He said, “we can die spiritually” (which is untrue for those with God’s spirit) and brought up the Sardis church and how they were “going to be blotted out of the book of life.” Where in the world do we find that about Sardis in the Bible? We don’t. –sermon critiqued by Anonymous
May 22, 2022
GF has declared a church-wide fast for July 3. He said they “have had some real sickness problems in the church and we need to beseech God for stronger faith and more healing.” He said an x-ray examination in March of his son (Stephen) “revealed severe damage in his right hip, joint, and also a significant degree of degeneration in his leg bone and he needs to be healed.” He also said that “Andrew Locher has type 2 diabetes with nephropathy which affects his feet and hands with numbness.” Then he mentioned a few other members with severe physical problems. Some of the AC students have had health problems also. –Anonymous
Lack of Agape Love in PCG:
May 22, 2022
I am a suspended member from the PCG for the 4th to 6th time. Perhaps the PCG is the end time church of God, that may be true or not, I’m still investigating. I was never in doubt until this last suspension. But I have been attending on and off for 6 years and I have found a serious flaw; the absolute utter complete absence of Agape Love. There is no love in this “church.” When a person is suspended they are cut off. They are cast off. There is no minister reaching out to help them, to counsel.
I love God! Imperfectly, as I very well know!! I need correction, true. There is the government of God upheld very well, give them that. But what did Christ say Himself? “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” (Matthew 23:23)
True, don’t leave the other undone, but where in God’s precious name is mercy and His own true Love. I receive absolutely no counseling, no help in time of need to figure out why I keep failing. Even on Little House On the Prairie Reverend Alden was always reaching out to the brethren to help [them]. Dear God, there is no hope for the weak brethren. This “church” is only for the strong, strong of their own strength. They have no idea what it means to be weak. They do not have the slightest idea what it means to be weak and need God for everything, even to figure out what’s right and wrong. They are continuing on their own strength. –[name withheld]
Comment: This person has received a personal reply. They later emailed several times with questions and began researching and investigating more on the ESN site.
Surprised to Hear of the Death of Janet Dattolo:
May 24, 2022
I was surprised to hear of Janet Dattolo’s death by cancer. Fred Dattolo was my minister back in Canada. I only ever met Janet at the feasts as she did not travel with him across the country. They had their youngest living with them at the time. His eldest daughter was at HWAC and there was the son Mike whom I never met but Fred used to brag about how smart his son was and that he was making good money. I know when the PCG was into the Kombucha phase all the wives of ministers were making their own Kombucha and she was as well. When they would get into these health kicks from HQ, many ministers’ wives out in the field would do the same. –Ex-PCG
Comment: Some have felt the deaths of so many minister’s wives is due in large part to the ongoing stress they are under for constant performance, along with lack of medical attention. Some of them have committed suicide. See April 29, 2022 letter and comments above: “Janet Dattolo, Wife of Fred Dattolo, Dies.”
Trumpet Blows Their Own Horn Regarding Current Sorrow of Mass Murders:
May 26, 2022
The carrion sniffing jackal, SF could not restrain himself from asserting his typical pathetic “my father told you so” take on the Uvalde, Texas mass murder before the victims’ bodies went completely cold.
Not much difference between the Trumpet‘s “tomorrow’s news today” and the bloodthirsty mainstream media’s vultures, spiritually.
Where is there any sincere mourning for these new murders in America except for the Trumpet‘s usual dramatized outrage, which only serves to put the fake church on an imaginary “moral high ground” and “spiritual” pedestal? Oh, but all those “carnal” people killed at the Texas school were not getting “God’s education,” so the PC[g]’s ministry can only allow themselves to demonstrate a minimal bit of “natural affection” towards the innocent victims, lest they may possibly be seen participating in the observances of “the world.”
In regards to prayers for the victims’ families, will the PC[g] ministers be quoting one of their favorites this coming weekend, “Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee.” Jeremiah 7:16. Although they may encourage prayer to God for the blessing of their religious infomercials like the Key of David, and the Trumpet Daily, and for more money to mysteriously flow into “HQ.” The greedy guts are rumbling there, as the Trumpet radio so falsely declares, “We said it first!” Meanwhile, they look down upon slaughtered children and teachers.
These kinds of “newscasters” are more despicable than the communist left wing’s political buzzards now pushing for more of their kind of “gun control.” (Meaning: using unlawful guns and overreaching government agency weaponization to control the people, but not allowing the lawful people to control themselves nor the guns they own.)
The very same values that PC[g] ministers believe set them above the rest of humanity, within their own delusional estimation of having the most insightful “biblical” perspective on some of the most horrible news on earth, including school massacres, actually reveals that their self-exalted ministry exists at an even lower level than those “unconverted” or “carnal” people who can only seem to stir up “natural affection” and “maudlin” human emotion towards murder victims.
Strange how the Trumpet‘s “special take” on the news, which news, by the way, comes from other world news sources first, must be regarded as naturally superior to news outlets of “the world.” The Trumpet only blows their own horn, saying, “You’ll hear this nowhere else.” Even though the Trumpet Daily spends most of the hour quoting and reading articles first written by “unconverted” and “worldly educated” authors, and playing clips recorded by real people who arrived at the scene first, while they lounge far away in the clean green acres of OK. Oh, but, “We said it first!” That is the greater issue of the day to be excited over, than any true outrage or agonizing lamentation for murdered children and teachers.
Not much more remorse for the “church’s” own dying members either, but only joy over receiving another “estate” into their coffers. But more “precious” is the death of “saints” to the PC[g] (read the often misrepresented verse, Psalm 116:15), especially more valuable to the PCG[g] than the murder of the precious innocent children of “the world,” whom God so loves, too, more than the PC[g]’s ministry loves dead people’s money.
And God sees straight through to their hearts by their own reactions to the deaths of children and teachers, and the deaths of saints. God sees. And if that shameless cult does not believe God and Jesus see them, then they neither believe in God or Jesus.
Question: Is there a way for a former member of these cults, PC[g] specifically, to find out if they have been disfellowshipped or even “marked” after having either quit or after being suspended? Of course, all communication is cut off from the “church” and even their own “literature” and magazines are cut off from the suspended member, as well as internet access to sermons and “bible studies.” How can a member then know if they have suddenly been disfellowshipped or “marked” behind their back if not able to hear the churchwide announcements or allowed to speak with other members? Is ESN able to keep a list of “marked” people through those who can still hear the announcements, etc., only for the purposes of warning ex-members for the sake of their safety and personal security? I believe being “marked” may have more serious implications than just being banned. –Q. W.
Comment: There’s no way of knowing all the disfellowshipped or marked members. This information is given to members during closed-door services.
Deryl Hope’s Boring Bible Study on Families:
May 31, 2022
Deryl Hope recently gave a Bible Study on “God Works Through Families.” I never heard such a boring message in all my life (except for many of GF’s). Members probably had a hard time paying attention and not falling asleep as Deryl’s usual quick-paced and high and mighty voice droned on and on and on. He went through practically all the families and major names in the Bible, beginning with Genesis. Then he began with the usual PCG drivel about God’s Plan A and Plan B. [Note: Plan A and Plan B are covered in the testimony “Disfellowshipped After Voicing Concerns“] I ended up skipping through most of it. At the end he expounded on GF’s The God Family Vision booklet. For those who have studied into this doctrine, they know there is no such thing taught in the Bible. This idea of a “God family” came from Mormonism and is also covered in our two Mystery of the Ages critiques [opens as PDF]. –Bible study critiqued by Anonymous
Brad Macdonald Brags About What Celtic Throne Performances Will Accomplish With the Audience:
May 31, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Just Who Is In the Worst Kind of Captivity?
May 31, 2022
In looking from the outside of the phonydelphian “church” instead of from the psychological cage within, it becomes a strange irony to behold this last week’s title of GF’s infomercial, KOD, which was “A World Held Captive,” How about a “church” held captive?
Sure, it is true in large part that the world is held captive by many deceptions and truly we are all deceived to some extent. But less so is it “the world” which is held being captive, than it is a “church” made up of people which are being held captive and spiritually restrained by very deceptive cults.
And that is why the phonydelphian “church” must so frequently preach about the deceiver, Satan (rarely of Jesus’ true liberty) [Comment by ESN: PCG does not teach about Jesus’ true liberty], and how the whole world is deceived and in captivity to the mind of the devil. How self-describing of the “church” itself, and when the ministers speak of this, as if no one would dare to suspect the same who speak of such deception, that they are themselves among the greatest of deceivers. Just as Jesus said it, ” . . . When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own . . . ” John 8:44.
Just as the phonydelphian ministers always repeat the same verse about “the god of this world,” as quoted from II Corinthians 4:4, they truly speak of their own little world.
The real truth is that the phonydelphian “church” has hi-jacked a body of people whom the false “ministers of light” so flatteringly call “the very elect.”
This is not being said to accuse the people (which is what Satan and his ministers do: accuse), many of whom are sincere believers who want to know the truth about all things, some in whom [may] reside the grieved Spirit of God. [Comment by ESN: Read: “What is the Spiritual Status of People in the WCG Offshoots?“] But none of that Spirit is present in that “church” which more so quenches the Spirit and drains it out as in a slow bloodletting. No, that phony religious “.org” does not feed the flock, but rather feeds upon the people, its supposed “life-giving” churchlike organism more so resembling that of a collective of vampires than that of shepherds protecting and feeding the lambs and the sheep.
May all the people who have been lured into the phonydelphian trap by “truth” used as bait, and the Bible as a hook, and who are truly led by the Spirit, soon see through this attempted systematic spiritual murder being committed against them and against God.
Have faith that God sees right through all this, and will not allow his own lost children to be cast into the lake of fire as just another wasted by-product of Satan’s deception factory. Remember, God is mightier than we can conceive of and will blow the extortionist cult leaders’ threats right back into their own faces. –K. D.
PCG Bans Gender Reveal Parties:
June 3, 2022
The PCG has now banned gender reveal parties for expectant families. While Herbert Armstrong “approved” baby showers. Gender reveal parties are not allowed as they put the attention on the parents. (Yes, you read that correctly) Also stated, was that they originated in the 2000’s by social media and Hollywood and by putting the emphasis on the parents it is too much like a birthday party. Hmmmm. I don’t think so, but that’s besides the point.
For those scratching their heads in bewilderment at the news of this recent stupidity, this is done because it is another means of control. They like to flex their control muscle, show people who’s boss and also they don’t like get-togethers. While they always preach that the brethren should fellowship often, they want it done in controlled, supervised environments. They actually require a minister or a deacon to be at get-togethers over a certain number. Most members are actually oblivious to this rule. This is because they don’t want people having a party where people can celebrate–possibly with family and friends in the world–the exciting event of finding out if you will be welcoming a baby boy or girl into your family. –Former PCG member [name withheld]
Comment;: Read “Crazy Statements Made by PCG Ministers” #22 which tells about the “rule of 7” (i. e., if more than 7 meet together a minister has to be present).
Want to Share Some of My Story / ESN Has Been Very Impactful:
June 5, 2022
I’m very grateful for the work you all have done with this site. It’s been very impactful in my life and I’d like to share a bit about my story in hopes it will help others. It has been a long journey and I still struggle in many aspects in my life but it has gotten a lot better over the years. ESN has been a key part in reassuring me that my decision was right and most importantly, that I wasn’t alone in this struggle. –T. J. (former PCG member)
Comment: To read what this person submitted, go to: A Letter to Members and Survivors of Philadelphia Church of God.
Why Doesn’t God Correct the Ministers?
June 10, 2022
(Moved to Questions & Answers under “Questions About Philadelphia Church of God”)
SF Gives Sermon On Faith to Be Healed:
June 12, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Countering the Works of the Devil:
June 14, 2022
ESN has done much good over the years in countering the works of the devil. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
How Obsessed PCG is With Herbert Armstrong:
June 15, 2022
I wonder if people are aware of how obsessed the PCG is with Herbert Armstrong. Below is a list of everything they have assigned his name to:
-Armstrong international cultural foundation
-Armstrong institute of biblical archaeology
-Armstrong Club (This is Spokesman’s Club.)
-Armstrong Preforming Arts Conservatory
-Armstrong Youth Orchestra
–Armstrong Prayer Rock (They believe this replaces Jacob’s pillar stone that they have in a glass display case.)
-Gerald Flurry’s grandson named his daughter Loma
-January 16th – The anniversary of his death is a highly regarded day of which they expect some miracle or significant world event to occur.
-Many members have framed photos of Herbert Armstrong in their homes.
-Every decision made is based upon some ruling or precedent previously set, unless overturned or modified by the new “King.”
-Their entire doctrine and interpretation of scripture is defined and created by Herbert Armstrong.
If this isn’t worshiping a man, I don’t know what is. If you have the unfortunate experience of sitting through a sermon or Bible study, you will notice that HWA is quoted more often than not only Jesus Christ, but the Bible itself.
PCG’s Obsession with HWA Only Scratches the Surface:
June 16, 2022
The previous letter about PCG’s obsession with HWA is spot on. In fact, it only scratches the surface in illustrating their worship of that man.
Spare a thought for Romans 1:25: “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the [created] creature more than the Creator.”
The PCG idolizes a man in place of God, and also shamelessly makes trinkets their idol. This is real prophecy being fulfilled.
To prominently set up a random stone, which HWA may or may not have kneeled next to, at the entrance of their auditorium for everyone to look to and in effect acknowledge as a homage of the man they worship, is one step away from a golden calf. Actually, its probably worse. Gerry Flurry fascinates the membership by saying it is a transference of the Stone of Scone, because it titillates men who “seek a sign.” Any sign that points them to a man.
[ESN letter entitled, “Gerald Flurry Finds Herbert Armstrong’s Prayer Rock!” adds some good background to this topic.]
The competition to be the staunchest supporter of HWA has always been fierce in the PCG. Who can quote him the most, and who is the most convincing when repeating his unbiblical dogma. This is also a badge of honor for many other splinters like David Pack’s group. Who loves HWA the most? As Brad Macdonald was quoted as saying, MOA should be studied annually. How proud he was to say how many times he has read MOA. Nothing like that is ever said about the Bible. Stephen Flurry had no qualms saying that he has never read the whole Bible. Why would he need to when its all been interpreted for him by men? Is the Spirit of Truth really limited to understanding the writings of HWA?
By worshiping that which is created, it is an easy transference to tell blind sheep to worship a man who claims to follow HWA the most. All the while, God becomes unnecessary. Many years ago, the only answer given at a Spokesman’s Club open night question, “what is truth?” was, “whatever Mr Flurry tells us!” (to thundering applause). That really says it all.
It is utterly shameful. –B. A.
Regarding PCG Being More Like the Mafia:
June 18, 2022
WOW! I was able to read this testimony PCG Not a “God Family” but More Like the Mafia this morning. As I was reading, I already knew in my mind one of the goons he was talking about was Cal Culpepper. Great testimony. Horrible experience for him. I’m just glad he’s out of that situation. –I. S.
Ministers Think They’re Right:
June 18, 2022
Regarding PCG Not a “God Family” but More Like the Mafia . Poor guy, I know just how the ministers get. They think they’re right and that’s the end of it. Glad he’s out and away from it! –Former PCG member
SF’s Long, Drawn Out Bible Study to Keep Members Striving and Fearing:
June 18, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Dwight Falk Tries to Intimidate Members Into Supporting “the Work”:
June 24, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
GF is Holding a Lot of Bitterness Inside Him:
June 27, 2022
In regard to Fred Dattolo’s sermon “God’s Laodicean Policy,” I honestly believe that GF is holding a lot of bitterness inside him towards the WCG because of the way they disfellowshipped/fired him after they wouldn’t listen to his “Malachi’s Message” which he claimed was “delivered to him by a mighty angel.” This had to have been a great puncture in his already inflated ego. Ever since then (even though he insists he is “carrying on Herbert Armstrong’s legacy”) he has had it in for any Laodiceans and every so often we get these sermons about “cut them off,” “abandon them,” etc. I believed he is influenced by Satan and is so enraged that he is after not only those who were associated with WCG or PCG, but now those who were children that grew up inside. If anyone in PCG associates with these “Laodiceans,” their salvation is threatened by this arrogant, tyrannical mad man. –A. R.
PCG Members Will Fast on July 3:
June 29, 2022
The PCG fast for July 3 was already mentioned in the May 22 letter above. It was announced in SF’s sermon that month.
They are fasting because there are so many with serious health problems in the PCG right now. Stephen Flurry’s hip/leg; Andrew Locher’s diabetes with neuropathy; Colin Hercus’ wife has severely debilitating back problems (he is a minister in the UK); and Michele Naagtegal, young wife of Brent in the Jerusalem office suffered a stroke and the blood clot in her brain has made her blind on both half’s of her eyes causing her to be constantly dizzy. Only the “elites” were mentioned. Unfortunately, the common member that is suffering due to lack of medical care doesn’t get to be mentioned–not that it would really matter anyway. No one gets miraculously healed in that organization. –S. I.
Celtic Throne Irish Dance Production Is Now the Warning Work to the Laodiceans:
June 29, 2022
As I understand it, Gerald Flurry says that the Celtic Throne Irish dance production is now the warning work to the Laodicians. If that is the case, they have to pay to hear the warning, which is completely unscriptural (Prov. 23:23 “Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding”). Go to their website and you will see that you cannot watch it for free, you have to buy tickets, for both the in-person and digitally-streamed production. How strange. –[name withheld]
Reply: What PCG is putting out is not “the truth” (i. e., the gospel truth); therefore, that Scripture wouldn’t apply to them. In our article, “Gerald Flurry’s Insanity With the New Throne of David” Brad Macdonald said the purpose of the Celtic Throne performance was “to show forth the New Throne of David.” There was another sermon, however, by GF in June 2019 entitled, “How the New Throne Changes God’s Work.” We also have an October 30, 2021 letter, “Does Irish Dancing Have Druid Roots?” that says: “PCG goes as far as to say that their musical ‘Celtic Throne’ is doing the Work of God. They can offer no proof but just say it is so.” See letter below from one of our contacts which gives more info about this.
GF Believes Celtic Throne Performance Is an Important Part of “The Work”:
June 29, 2022
In regard to the previous letter, Brad Macdonald definitely said the Celtic Throne performance was the “Work” and the way to warn the world and the Laodiceans. I remember specifically him speaking about that and thinking how in the world can these people swallow this?? I don’t remember what sermon or Bible study it was, or when it was given; I think it was summer 2021, around the time they went on the road with their product. But, yes, it was definitely said that this was an important part of the “Work”! So maybe it was missed as far as getting critiqued. I remember it specifically because I thought it was so far out to call Celtic Throne the “Work.”
I remember members always grumbling about the Irish dance and this was before, or just as they were getting started with, the Celtic Throne performances. But we repeatedly got lectured and reprimanded from the podium about the importance of the Irish dance and how if Gerald flurry is behind it then it’s from God and we need to support it. That was why he came down so hard in the last sermons Brad gave. I imagine the complaining has gotten worse.
This [Celtic Throne Performance] is literally all they have going on. The Public Appearance Campaigns failed badly and that’s why GF can’t do those anymore. They hit their largest Trumpet subscriber markets and it got few people to attend, let alone follow up with being invited to services.
Their “Work” is all about their stupid dance production right now. This is according to them “the truth” and “the message.”
They have gone off the deep end. –Former member of PCG [name withheld]
Praying Against This Evil Organization:
June 30, 2022
I notice all the illnesses in PCG right now, especially with the elite. I wrote in before about praying against this evil organization and its lies [June, 27, 2021 letter]. Others have also been doing the same [November 13, 2021; December 1, 2021] Let’s continue to pray against PCG, the top ministers, the Trumpet and the Key of David, and that they will not succeed. We don’t pray against innocent members, only that they will wake up, see the bad fruit in PCG, leave, and understand Christ’s message of grace. –A. R.
Gerald Flurry Doesn’t Smile:
July 1, 2022
I’d like to chime in about GF’s picture as others have done.
[Note by ESN: Some letters to ESN that talk about GF’s picture are: “New Photos of GF Look Like Death on a Cracker” (March 6, 2017); “Gerald Flurry Doing Unusual Stuff Lately” (April 1, 2019); “Gerald Flurry Looks Like a Shyster to Me” (July 19, 2021); “Gerald Flurry Trying to Give Himself a New Look” (February 25, 2021); “Many Leaders of the Armstrong Cults Are Narcissists” (September 5, 2021; “GF & SF’s Pictures” (February 22, 2022 (scroll up to read)] and “’King Flurry’” and “’Prince Flurry’” Show Their Ugly Mugs”: (May 15, 2022) (scroll up to read).]
I often wondered why GF doesn’t smile on his church site like I see most Christian pastors doing on their ministries’ home page. (And I’m not talking about the toothy grin of phonies like Joel Osteen.) But you’re right. GF is trying to imitate HWA. I supposed if he could get a face lift he would do it. GF’s eyes are the eyes of a judgmental person. Look at his eyes alone (if you can stand to look at his picture) by covering over his mouth. They don’t look friendly and neither do HWA’s. I know we can’t go by looks alone but it’s been said that the eyes are the windows to the soul.
And no matter how many “hundreds of thousands of lives” PCG may boast that they are reaching with their Trumpet and Key of David, how many lives have actually been changed for the good and who now have inner peace, as a result of knowing and receiving Christ as their personal Savior? I say very few, because they don’t teach the true Jesus and they don’t teach salvation through faith alone. –A. R.
False Prophet Flurry and His July 3 Fast:
July 1, 2022
I’m certain false prophet Flurry will be privately having his sips of water on the 3rd (or maybe something a little stronger) so he can appear to be “holding up” while all the other members are fasting. Another case of “do as I say, not as I do.” –[name withheld]
GF Hasn’t Been Giving Sermons as Often:
July 2, 2022
I’ve found it interesting that GF hasn’t been giving the sermons as often and some of the other ministers have had a note in quotes that the sermon must “be played in all churches.” I thought maybe GF finally croaked, until last week when he finally appeared on the scene again with his sermon “Three Pentecost Warnings” where he talked about HWA’s June 15, 1985 Pentecost sermon and said “we need to be holding on to these visions God is giving us,” and “the Laodiceans lost the Pentecost message” and “50% are going to go through the worst suffering ever and 50% are never going to rise again,” blah, blah, blah. –Trusted PCG source
PCG Is a Business Using God and Fear as a Way of Getting Money:
July 2, 2022
I was in the PCOG from way back in the early 1990’s. I came in and started working on the sound and video setup. In my years there I saw a lot of favoritism from the upper people. When the company, not church, start buying land and building their utopia in 1996, I stopped tithing. It seemed that they started building a business and everyone’s money was going for pianos and chandeliers worth millions.
Stephen Flurry was in a TV interview in 2008 and when he was asked if tithing was mandatory he said no. After helping the PCG save thousands doing the sound setup free–using my own money–I was put out by Cal Culpepper for not tithing. He is not a very nice man. And a hypocrite. This company is just that, a company using God and fear as a way of getting money. And now they have a plane. What do they really need it for? The PCOG is a business selling God and life for the change in your pocket. –[name withheld]
Reply: That 2008 interview with SF was critiqued on our site with links to the letters that came in about it. It is entitled “Special News Report on Philadelphia Church of God.”
Sickening the Way Members Are Treated:
July 3, 2022
It is sickening the way these so-called ministers treat the members. They are undoubtedly sociopaths. I remember a letter you posted once that showed how SF had no feelings whatsoever when a non-member confronted him about his no-contact ruling. Do you have a link to that? –A. R.
Reply: Yes, it is here: “Stephen Flurry Was Arrogant and Unfeeling The Time I Told Him Off.” (April 12, 2020)
Members Told to Love the Law and the Government:
July 3, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Regarding Deryl Hope:
July 6, 2022
Enjoyed the critique of Deryl Hope’s sermon [“Inside the Walls”; see July 3 letter “Members Old to Love the Law and the Government”]. Regarding: “I can’t bear listening to Deryl Hope and his tone of voice. He always comes across as a cocky young punk with some kind of unusual accent that I can’t quite place,” he’s in his 60’s and his accent is from Texas. But he sounds just like Sheldon from “The Big Bang Theory.” hahahaha. –Former PCG member
Deryl Has a Texas Accent?
July 8, 2022
That’s a Texas accent? WTH! I always thought it was from another country, but couldn’t place it. I know several people from Texas and his accent doesn’t sound anything like a Texan to me. It [the comment about him sounding like a cocky young punk] is quite funny, though. –[name withheld]
Falk and His Faith Sermon:
July 8, 2022
Dwight Falk gave a “faith” sermon (“Child-Like Faith”). This was given before their July 3 fast for all the sicknesses and illnesses in PCG.
One big lie was when he said, “Those that have a faith problem don’t believe God. They are not in the church. You won’t see a lot of faith outside of God’s church.” Then he lied and misled them again and said, “God promises to heal us. That is how we know. Because God promised.” –Anonymous
Fred Dattolo Sermon Is Good Way to Mess up Your Mind:
July 8, 2022
(Moved to PCG Sermons & Bible Study Critiques for 2022. Search for title)
Astounding PCG UK Financial Report:
Note: This letter is now also an article here: Astounding PCG UK Financial Report (Where Is the Money Actually Going?)
July 9, 2022
In the UK all charitable organizations must file a public document reporting their accounts for each year with the Charity Commission for England and Wales: https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-search/-/charity-details/1044860/accounts-and-annual-returns
This report (I am attaching the PDF along with the link) only itemizes the income and accounts for the PCG UK (Registration #05314410]. The most current report is for the year ending Dec 31 2020 but it also lists all the financial information for the previous year 2019. While the entire 24 page report is intriguing and definitely worth a read, a few items jumped right off the page.
“Expenditures on Charitable Activities”
On page 21 of this report is a list totaling the expenditures for the year. One line item dwarfs all the rest. One might assume it has something to do with giving or some charitable activity. But one would be WRONG!!! A whopping £473,520 ($565,735) in 2020 and £525,287 ($631,893) in 2019, this massive line item is titled Ministerial Travel! They must have a large ministry to send all over Europe…… Nope, just 3 ministers! To boot there are approximately 7 tiny congregations one being Edstone! Wait it gets better…… How do 3 ministers spend £473,520 ($565,735) on “traveling” when travel was completely restricted for most of 2020 due to COVID-19? This is a ludicrous amount even when they can travel! Most European airfare, round trip can be purchased for £100. What type of ultra luxury accommodations are these “servants of Christ” staying in? Where and what are they dining on?
While the PCG will probably claim that these exorbitant costs are associated with the “Flurry Jet” that simply doesn’t make sense. Why would you infuse cash into the UK to balance the books to turn around and pay the PCG USA for a Jet that might have been used once in the UK for all of 2020?
“Publishing, Advertising Campaigns, and Distribution of Literature in Ten Languages”
True to cult form the PCG tries to exaggerate their impact by using percentages instead of actual numbers. For instance, under this section (see attached document) they boast “Literature requests in French were 9.5 times higher.” “German literature request were four times as high and downloads increased by 25%.” Why, if they are having such an amazing growth and impact, wouldn’t you produce actual numbers? One might ask 9.5 times higher then what? Four times more then??? 25% increase from what? If the PCG was having such an impact and reaching vast numbers of people through downloads and literature, the actual numbers would be published. Just as they did in the next sentence for the amount of propaganda articles they published, FYI 983. This is because their people sit in their seats and are trained not to think or ask these questions, Just blindly trust and believe the “government.”
“Rendering of Charitable Works Under the Benevolence Program”
This subsection is laughable! Here is where the cult can’t hide behinds words. Let’s just see how much benevolence is flowing out of the PCG! Under the financial review section the PCG UK claims to have a total income of £986,353 with a “charitable” expenditures of £897,517 leaving a surplus of £88,835. This is only possible with a infusion of cash from the PCG USA and PCG AUS of £333,425. With that background, now let’s go back to the “love” the PCG claims to show. Page 21 and 22 have line items showing how much 3T Assistance AND FOT assistance was distributed (no where does it show how much was collected which is another interesting omission). The total for 2020 (drum roll please …….) £2,845 and in 2019 it was £ 1,114! I double checked. I didn’t forget a zero or two! That’s it! So now, let’s use the percentages this cult loves to throw around to determine the total amount of love that flowed out of the PCG to its membership: 0028% in 2020. Yep, less the 3 hundred thousandth of a percent of the PCG UK income that flowed back to its people in true love! So they demand their people pay their 3T and they claim that it all goes to help those in the “church” in need. But when they have to open the books, it shows a completely different picture. To summarize Ministerial travel (in a time of no travel) it was £473,520 and total love distributed to help it’s membership £ 2,845. Where is the money actually going? (P. S. When looking at the numbers, keep in mind that the ministers must be payed out of Edmond, as it only seems that the few office administration salaries are paid from the UK office.) –C. (Former member of PCG)
Comment: Also read: Viewed Philadelphia Church of God Financial Accounts in the UK (December 5, 2010 letter)
July 12, 2022
Micah Turgeon, GF’s grandson [and youngest son of Wayne Turgeon and brother of Grant Turgeon], has left the PCG after months of preparation to “escape.” He was an H. W. Armstrong College student. –G.
July 13, 2022
Well, it looks like GF and his top idiots got sick and tired of reading ESN’s critiques of their sermons and Bible Studies. They recently posted this announcement:
Headquarters has finished posting weekly sermons and Bible studies at pcg.church. Pastor General Gerald Flurry made this decision after considerable discussion with regional directors. The service was important during government lockdowns, but regular Sabbath services and Bible studies have now resumed. Mr. Flurry understands that there will be a very small number of exceptions who will still require this service. If you believe that your situation is an exception, please contact your regional director. If your exception is approved, you will be able to continue to access the recordings. (All members continue to have access to announcements.) But for the large majority of members and their families, we look forward to seeing you more at services and Bible studies.
ESN has exposed them to the hilt anyway and their continual sermons are basically only a re-hash of things.
But Micah Turgeon left, so that’s huge!! hahaha
They can wallow in that for a while! –[name withheld]
Typical Narcissistic Rage:
July 13, 2022
I think it was an angry, emotional, impulsive decision to stop the online sermons and I believe it was the exposing of the UK financial reports [see July 9 letter] and Micah Turgeon leaving that caused it. Close family like Micah leaving has to be a blow to their ego. Typical narcissistic rage. –Former PCG member
Once PCG Finds a Leak:
July 13, 2022
[Regarding PCG not posting sermons online anymore] The same thing happened at PCG’s “Peaceful Storms” website. Once the PCG discovers where a leak is (or where they think it is), they work on making it more secure. But, this is like closing the barn door once all the cattle have escaped. –[name withheld]
Information Somehow Finds Its Way to the ESN:
July 13, 2022
As high on the ladder as Micah Turgeon was, you can bet there are members on the lower tiers that are thinking of bailing, too. Also, once the news of Micah Turgeon’s exit spreads, it might lead to more saying “I’ve had enough.”
It’s interesting how information somehow “finds” its way to ESN. Almost as if God wants the PCG’s evil exposed. –[name withheld]
July 14, 2022
It is no happenstance that GF removed access to his secretive online sermons after ESN posted and analyzed their UK Financial Report [see July 9 letter above]. First, they shut down the tape libraries where even shut-ins couldn’t receive them; then the CD sermon tapes were ordered to be destroyed, then members weren’t to share their recorded sermons, next no smartphones were to be used, and now this. How many other tyrannical rules they’ve imposed on members is anyone’s guess. If this purported “one true church of God” is really “God’s Church,” then why are they hiding their sermons from outsiders, unlike what any genuine Christian church would do? The answer is because they reveal the sick control going on inside, including their Satanic no-contact ruling that causes untoward suffering. Yet, PCG will scream “Satan is persecuting God’s Church!” at any exposure of their evil deeds. I agree they will be unable to stop all info from getting out no matter how tight they try to control it. –A. R.
PCG a Toxic and Dangerous Environment, Especially for Children
July 17, 2022
(This excellent letter has been turned into an article here: PCG a Toxic and Dangerous Environment, Especially for Children.)
July 18, 2022
In a recent sermon by Andrew Locher entitled “Keep the Father First” he rabbited on about tithing and how Sri Lanka is in the midst of turmoil and that brethren there are struggling financially to just put food on the table but how important it is to pay your tithes (especially those that are struggling–because you know God doesn’t need the money, the “Government” [in PCG] does).
He made a special point that, as far as he knows, the PCG doesn’t have a tithing problem, only God knows. (Yes, the actual CFO apparently doesn’t understand basic accounting forecasting. But funnily enough, when they find that someone isn’t paying tithes, they suspend them immediately from stealing from them…oops, I mean stealing from God). However, even looking at only the UK Financial Accounts [see July 9 letter above] we can see there is an issue as the Tithe of the Tithe is definitely not 10% of 2nd Tithes (it was only 8k but should have been closer to 37k).
Also, on a side note, I would love to know who the “other creditors” are that are owed 3.17m–but I digress.
We had sermons/Bible studies on “sacrifice” and “financially doing our part,” etc., and all the normal dribble, just to find out the new Archeology building that is in Jerusalem is in the most affluent part of the city; i.e., near the PM and president’s abode and that they are committing to a 3 year lease. (what about the Tribulation?) The property has not been used in 6 years so they are sending over slaves…erm I mean students to do all the manual work but it will still need builders, etc., to do the majority of the work. This dig isn’t about Gods Work at all as the era that they are digging is only from 400 AD to 1400 AD. It is all a sham to bolster their HWA idol worshipping! I am so over it!!! –[name withheld]
I Desperately Want Out of PCG:
July 19, 2022
Thank you for all the work you do to expose this corrupt money-hungry organization. Unfortunately, I am still a member but desperately want out. I used to drink the Kool-Aid but my eyes have been opened. I still believe in God but not the way that the PCG defines and defiles Him. –[name withheld]
Comment: This person has received a personal reply.
PCG and Their Heat Wave Woes:
July 21, 2022
Looks like PCG doesn’t have as many campers in their SEP this summer. They only have 120 campers from the United States, Canada, England and South Africa. One thing they are worried about is how temperatures have been above 100° and are forecasted to remain high. Those poor kids! They will have 50 sports and activities for them to participate in. GF plans to “brainwash” these youth with a two-part message” when he visits camp on the Sabbath. Right now they are telling members to “beseech God” that He will send rain and cooler temperatures because the hot, dry weather in central Oklahoma is not only affecting the campers, but PCG’s land and livestock. The last significant rain was on Pentecost, June 5. –[name withheld]
Comment: Be sure and read: “ “Brad Macdonald Writes Propaganda Article About Philadelphia Youth Camp” (shows what the youth have to endure) [August 23, 2020]
They Should Be Hoping None of the Kids Get Too Hot at SEP:
July 21, 2022
Wow! Oklahoma temperatures are bad enough without the recent heat wave. In my opinion, they should be hoping that none of the kids get too hot but since the parents had to sign a medical waiver, they will be unable to sue PCG. [Note by ESN: Read: “PCG’s Strict Rules for Those Attending SEP” which explains this waiver.]
I think the toxic atmosphere and induced fear is no longer enough to keep the kids in the PCG. There’s too many ways to access information about the PCG and other HWA groups online.–Impacted by loved one in PCG
Had Greatly Underestimated the Extent of the Damage These Groups Do:
July 22, 2022
Hello, I took the time to read the section of your site that you provided to me. (“What is the Spiritual Status of People in the WCG Offshoots?” (Were They Ever Converted?)
I must admit that I had greatly underestimated the extent of the damage that these groups do and the complexity that this creates.
It is sad that such a simple truth is hidden from them and that so many years of their life are stolen from them and perhaps even their salvation.
I agree with you that we must leave this situation in the hands of God and that we can pray for these people. I understand that’s the best we can do, unfortunately.
Keep up the excellent work (or rather God’s work through you and your site).
Thank you for the information that serves me as a rampart and prevents me from sometimes switching to ”religion” and keeping a balance as much as possible.
I found an interesting section on your site talking about the symptoms of religious addiction and it helps me to put some safety tags. (“Symptoms of Religious Addiction“)
I pray that God protects you and continues to guide you until the day God brings us “home.”
According to many, that day is fast approaching. It is really encouraging!
Thank you and best regards! –M. L.
A Lot of Exiters Supporting Micah Turgeon:
July 24, 2022
I know that Micah Turgeon [see July 12 letter above] has a lot PCG exiters (with true empathy and love) supporting him and wanting him to succeed now that he’s out of the cult. Those people couldn’t be more happy to see Wayne’s son out from their control and want to help him in whatever way possible.
But I also want to add that Wayne Turgeon and the Flurry clan have made a lot of enemies by the way they have treated people and contributed to the break up of many families. Micah is a courageous young man. –F. O.
PCG’s New Marketing Campaign?
July 25, 2022
I think you will find this information interesting.
Yesterday, in my mailbox, I received a paper copy of ‘the Trumpet‘ magazine. My subscription (after a couple of years of ”silence”) has been renewed, even if I never asked for it.
Maybe they are on a new ”marketing campaign”?
The magazine is well presented and has interesting articles (I only read the main titles quickly, but ”no way” will I go further than that!
I will let you imagine where is the magazine now. (I give you some clues: it’s made of plastic and we roll it once a week on the border of the street). Ha. –[name withheld]
PCG May Be Digging Up Old Addresses to Fudge Numbers:
July 25, 2022
In regards to the latest letter about the Trumpet showing up after it had been canceled, I wouldn’t be surprised if PCG started digging up old addresses so they can give stats like they always do (all of it fudged) at the Feast and deceive the members into thinking they have so many Trumpet subscribers.
I had a minister tell me that when he attended Ambassador College in Bricket Wood, England (WCG) that the people of India would subscribe to the Plain Truth and would literally wallpaper their walls with it. Apparently it was quit a common thing to do and the only reason they were subscribing. –Former PCG member
Winston Davis Dies:
July 25, 2022
SEP Campers to Suffer Through Heat Wave:
July 25, 2022
The latest news is that the staff at SEP camp are going to keep keep the campers cool with “water breaks and cooling towels.” I wonder how long they think that is going to help? Notice how temperatures dropping from above 100 to high 90’s it to “help keep them safer and healthier.” It would be revealing to know how many have already suffered heat exhaustion, or other health problems. But we will never know as they won’t let that out. Staff will no doubt push them to their limits and beyond. This is outrageous as these kids shouldn’t even be out in this kind of heat playing sports. This is from Edmond: [bolding mine]
“Weather forecasts predicted temperatures well above 100 degrees all week, but for the last three days have brought clouds and temperatures in the high 90s. This has helped keep Summer Educational Program campers safer and healthier, and staff have also made adjustments to limit exposure to direct sun and keep the teens cool with water breaks and cooling towels.” (The Friday Philadelphian, July 22, 2022)
How much can they “limit exposure to direct sun when they are expected to play these sports? Read: “Brad Macdonald Writes Propaganda Article About Philadelphia Youth Camp” (August 23, 2020) (this shows what the youth have to endure) –OK
Andrew Locher Continues to Manipulate Members Into Giving More Money
July 27, 2022
I’m going to take apart Andrew Locher’s latest “Financial Report” which was sent to me by a PCG insider and which was merely a beg for more money. My comments in color in brackets.
Excerpts from Andrew Locher, Chief Financial Officer (The Friday Philadelphian, July 22, 2022):
“All over the world, brethren continue to sacrifice at record-setting levels,
[We have seen time and again how PCG is known to exaggerate their financial situation in order to cause members to believe something is rosier than it actually is. In this case, that members are “sacrificing at record-setting levels.” PCG will never show their financial records to the members so they can verify what is true.]
“ensuring we have the resources to expand God’s Work.
[Is it “expanding God’s Work” by making members believe PCG has made archaeological discoveries and participated in digs and that they have archaeologists in the PCG? Are they expanding “God’s Work” with their Armstrong-Mizar Institute of Biblical Archaeology? Read the January 6 letters above: “PCG’s Misleading Lies About Their Archaeology” and “Heard Andrew Locher Lying to Campers.”]
“The expanded projects in Israel have benefited from this increase. Most recently, the UK-Europe-Africa office sent $54,000 to Israel to promote the excavations, as well as full-time staff and students to excavate and renovate.
[Where does all this money come from to “excavate and renovate”? Could it be from the members’ pockets? (or hidden sources of income that only GF is privy to?)]
“…the Church continues to expand our educational efforts around the world.
[What educational efforts? To educate the Jews on their history? Read: March 15 letter above: “Gerald Flurry Gallivanting to the Middle East in His Expensive Jet Plane.”]
“…we have had an increase in both income and expense. Our cost of operation continues to increase now that ministers are able to travel.
[What he means is now that “King Flurry” aka “Prophet Flurry” can jet around to far distant places in his expensive plane which he no more needs than a hole in the head. Read: Why “That Prophet” Really Needed a Corporate Jet (February 4, 2019 letter) and “Why Does Flurry Need a Jet Plane?” (May 8, 2017). Someone once said this jet is GF’s “toy of vanity” and that is an excellent description of it. Notice how Locher mentions an increase in income, along with increase in cost of operation and increase in expense. The good with the bad. This is a mind manipulation technique that Locher is well-trained in.]
“As with family budgets, inflation has resulted in rising costs for the Work …
[What about rising costs for the average member?? Gasoline and food prices and other items have gone through the roof, but Locher doesn’t care two cents. He is using the same techniques HWA used in his co-worker letters to suck (con) more money out of members because it’s “for the Work.” See: Armstrongism: Religion or Rip-off by Marion J. McNair (Chapters 2 and 3 give examples from HWA’s co-worker letters which reveal the propaganda methods he used in order to solicit donors and then con them out of thousands of dollars.) Opens as PDF book.]
“We are carefully monitoring the budget,
[PCG knows full well who their largest contributors and tithe-payers are and they are few. They also are known to keep tithing records on each member as did WCG.]
“but with the excavation and new office in Israel, America Under Attack [booklet], replenishment of literature
[i.e., brainwashing booklets and other literature to recruit people they have deceived and keep them in PCG]
“inventory all over the world and other projects, we have much to plan for.
“During the upcoming ministerial conference, we will have the 16-year inspection/maintenance performed on the Church’s aircraft.
[What happened to GF’s prophetic words about Donald Trump being re-elected, members being thrown out of the country, the soon-coming Tribulation, and the brethren fleeing/flying to the Place of Safety? Has that been put on hold and pushed to the back burner?]”
“If possible, please consider making donations to the aircraft fund (only if you are able)
[Another mind manipulation technique to say “only if you are able.” This “aircraft” was paid off last year! Read a sickening letter from Andrew Locher: “Members to Keep Contributing to the ‘Aircraft Fund’” (May 9, 2021 letter) How are members going to be able to pull out even more money (besides already giving tithes and offerings, and other monies) to this unnecessary “aircraft fund”?
“to help us prepare for this expensive event.
[Expensive event that only members can pay for.]
“Income remains above last year’s totals at nearly every office around the world.
[Make it look good without furnishing documented proof.]
“We are anticipating more second-tithe assistance requests, and less excess second tithe donations due to inflation.
[“Inflation,” or the money being put in someone else’s pockets?]
“Please remember to send in your tithe of the tithe, which helps offset general Feast expenses,
[Another unlawful expense for brethren to continue to come up with]
“and also provides second-tithe assistance to needy brethren.
[How many “needy brethren” truly receive this 2nd tithe assistance? Probably very few.]
“As we all fully understand, our prayers are so much more valuable to the Work than the money we can give.
[Much more valuable then exploited brethren, but “don’t forget to send in your money.”]
“So please re-double your prayers
[What he means is re-double the money you send in.]
“for the finances of the Work and the “stretching” of what God does provide.
[Translation: what the members provide.”]
“Those prayers are what enable this Work to continue to expand even in the midst of horrific global financial conditions!”
[What a farce! It is the money from members that Locher desires since GF covets and craves material possessions for his inflated ego. Regrettably, most members and co-workers are addicted to prophecy and want to hear more and more “new revelation” from GF. What a waste of member’s money, not to mention the poverty it puts them in. Andrew Locher, one of GF’s top lackeys, knows how to manipulate, coerce, and milk more money out of members using a combination of telling them they “need to pray to God,” but at the same time letting them know they should “do their part” by sending in money for the “Work.”]
–critiqued by AJW
July 28, 2022
I believe that God is not in this “church.” But Satan’s lies are very binding. You have the fear of leaving and feeling you will be cursed if you do. That’s what held me back from leaving for a long time. I can’t count the times where I almost left. There have been many times where I have known something isn’t right, but here are some of the prominent ones: the idolized stone and spiritual throne, the cut-off policy, the Jeroboam failed prophecies, the numerous titles GF gives to himself, the material items (piano, chandeliers etc), the idolization of HWA and GF, not being able to question the ministry, constant small changes in policies and, of course, the never ending pan-handling for money. It makes me sick just to think about it. –[name withheld]
Recommended related letter: “For Years I Felt Something Wasn’t Right” (July 1, 2011)
Very Grateful For All You Do:
August 1, 2022
For what it’s worth my husband and I are very grateful to you and all you do!! I don’t know where we’d be without your site! –Former PCG members
Wasted My Time Being Duped:
August 6, 2022
I am reading Kelly Marshall’s MOA review but I cannot click on the blue tabs to read those extra articles. Is there somewhere I can go to read these? I am especially interested for now on the Core Doctrines of a church. Although I don’t know if I will ever trust any church again, I will trust the Bible. Also, after wasting my time by being duped, do I want to go through all that again?
I was only involved with the PCG for the past 18 months. But those few months and me gobbling up many of their books really led me the wrong way. Many things did not make sense and I was later encouraged not to ask questions although they told me to search for the truth.
Disillusioned, I prayed for the answers and the next day found Kieran’s article [Life at Herbert W. Armstrong College] on why he left the PCG, emailed him, and got your site. So thankful for this site. –Former PCG member [name withheld]
Reply: Do you mean the blue links? When those MOAs were put into PDF for our new site they were not made so that one could click on the links as it was too much work. Please let me know the exact title of what you are looking for and I will see if I can help you know where it is.
My Brain Feels Like It Needs Unscrewing:
(2nd email from person above:)
August 6, 2022
Thanks so much for replying to me. So much to read. But I am thankful because my brain feels like it needs unscrewing. The article mentioned is Core Doctrines (of a church?). It’s mentioned in chapter One. And yes, I meant links. Not really tech savvy. …
Thanks once again. I want to stay connected to God and Christ just not churches, nor man. Thanks. –Former PCG member [name withheld]
Comment: To see the core doctrines of Christianity compared to what HWA taught, refer to this part on our Booklist where it says: The following additional books are helpful in refuting Armstrong’s doctrinal errors.
GF’s Inane Ramblings on the Key of David:
August 11, 2022
I listened to as much as I could stomach of GF’s inane ramblings on his Key of David program, “Why God Hides Himself” (August 5, 2022). He is like a broken record as are most of his goon-faced, abusive ministers. However, they are more than aware that mind control needs repetition in order to be most effective. This KOD was a continual repeating of what HWA has said before, plus tossing in about his own books and his own “revelation.”
Along with how I saw he had a lot of pancake make-up on (for the TV cameras no doubt), I noticed the thick gold ring on his finger and what looked like an expensive gold watch.
He started off asking, “Where do you find true happiness?” Wouldn’t it be in Christ Jesus where all our needs are met? Not for GF it isn’t. The answer for him is “God’s church” (PCG).
He read Isaiah 45:15 about how God hides himself and said, “He won’t be hiding himself much longer.”
GF relishes extracting random verses from the O.T. that have nothing to do with the New Covenant of Grace but were God’s dealings with the nation of Israel and then he attempts to make them fit for Christians today.
Another thing he loves to repeat is “God has a plan for saving Israel and everyone is going to become Israel.” This is another of his big fat lies since the church is not, and never will be, Israel, whether spiritual or not. [Read about how the church is not spiritual Israel] Why hammer continually about Israel? The answer is because most Bible cult leaders use this theme, along with talking incessantly about tithing, and the “Kingdom of God,” and how we “have to prepare for it,” “build character in order to rule,” or whatever other asinine words they use.
He continues by asking, “Why is God hiding himself?” Then he shows his booklet, Mystery of the Ages and all the bull crap about God recreating (reproducing) Himself and about “government” and “ruling with Christ” because it’s “God plan.”
And identical to HWA, he had to go over the trees in the Garden of Eden (how many of us remember sitting through and enduring long sermons by HWA on those two trees for the evening message at the Feast?), and he showed more than once a drawing from Basil Wolverton from WCG’s The Bible Story books where Adam and Eve are beating a fast retreat from the Garden of Eden, looking like they are scared to death, after they hid from God.
GF can’t write an article or give one program without creating fear. He says, “Satan has power in this world and he rules this world. People underestimate the power of Satan.” The Bible may tell us that Satan is “the god of this world,” but those who belong to Christ do not need to underestimate his power, nor fear him, as they, because of Christ, have overcome the evil one. (I John 2:13, 14; I John 4:4 and Ephesians 6:11)
He said, “Christ is to come in “a tiny few years.” How long has GF been predicting when Christ will return? For as long as most of us can remember as it helps him to keep bamboozling people. This time he changed it to “a tiny few” years instead of saying it will be in so many years. He didn’t want to get his nose rubbed in his false prophecies again.
He pulled out a lot of quotes from the O.T. (the old covenant) and said “Sin causes God to turn His face from man.” He knows nothing about how Christ forgave all our sins when He cried out on the cross, “It is finished” and how, when we are in Christ, we are clothed in His righteousness. “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” (I Corinthians 5:21) [Also see My Position in Christ]
He spewed out, “There are Two Gods.” That is beyond ludicrous. The Bible is clear that God is one. (Deuteronomy 6:4; Mark 12:29; I Corinthians 8:4,6)
There is never a KOD that doesn’t have him offering FREE his “demon inspired” books. This time it was MOA (at the start) and at the end it was The New Throne of David” as he declared, “Today there is a new throne” and it is “One of the most powerful books I have written.” This phony “prophet” says that about all his booklets.
When he insists “God came to reveal the Father,” he is talking like an ignoramus. There are many reasons Jesus came, one of which was to destroy the works of the Devil. (I John 3:8; Hebrews 2:14-15). He also came to fulfill the law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17); He came to save us and give us eternal life through His resurrected life (John 3:17, etc.) Why does GF rarely, if ever, talk about the hope we have through Christ’s resurrection (which is central to one’s salvation)? Because he can’t pull in as many gullible people as he can with his exciting, fearful prophecies and his mysteries and “new revelations,” which are paramount to all Bible cults.
“God is a family” he asserts. GF continues to beat the drum that God is a family because of the word “Elohim” in Genesis, he says. Mike covered this in the past in his Final Exit Letter to Craig Winters of PCG where he said: “God is immutable and CANNOT change!!! If I were to become GOD that means HE would have to change!!! How contradictory” and there is a footnote #2 beside those words which is explained more in the footnote.
This KOD was not only boring, it was repugnant. It was mainly a repeat of what HWA would ramble on about. I finally skipped most of it. I don’t know how anyone can sit there and listen to this pasty-faced cult leader whose goal is to drain people financially while he sadistically enjoys controlling and even torturing innocent lives. But I supposed that is what deceived people love.
GF needs to shut up and start living a humble life. God never intended us to be burdened and oppressed with the pure, unadulterated garbage and lies coming from GF’s rattling mouth that bludgeons the membership into submission.
–KOD critiqued by S. O.
Does GF Think He Will Go to a Place of Safety?
August 12, 2022
Do you think G. Flurry believes he will go to a place of safety? –G.
Reply: I would say no. He is going to milk the members out of their money for as long as he can.
Lack of Growth in PCG:
August 12, 2022
For the month of July 2022, there was published in the PCG announcements, 1 baptism and 1 death.
I know for sure it’s not accurate as there are almost always, every single month, deaths that go unannounced. I thought it might be helpful for people to see the total lack of growth in the organization. –Nameless
PCG Being Careful What They Put in The Friday Philadelphian:
August 13, 2022
PCG will do anything they can to keep outsiders from finding out what they are doing on the inside. They hate it when they are exposed. Therefore, they are being careful from now on what they put in The Friday Philadelphian
What I did notice from the FP last week is the usual hyperbole (which can be found every time they write or speak). Fred Datollo was always good at this when he read letters [presumedly from people that wrote in] so as to make members think PCG was really growing and really drawing in others. I noticed these exaggerations:
(August 5 Friday Philadelphian):
Response to the program [KOD] that aired this week was stronger than usual for a program in summertime.
…the program is receiving more calls per week than it did for almost any week in 2021.
[The programs GF has taped are] generating an estimated total of about 2 million requests.
Operators report that they have spoken with a number of excited callers responding to the August Trumpet … Many callers indicated that they are excited to read it and pass it along to others.
Requests [that came in for the KOD] were up 34 percent compared to the same period last year.
There is no way to verify these words but since PCG is known to lie, I would say this is all so much bull. –[name withheld]
PCG Exiter Uncovering Lies:
August 14, 2022
I know of a family member who recently made the choice to leave PCG. (And by the way, he wasn’t “cursed by God” or had his life “ruined” as the ministers tell those who dare to leave.) He is reading a lot, but it really helped him to read Deuteronomy 18:22 because PCG just had a sermon or Bible Study on taking the Bible literally. [That verse says: “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him”], so his parents had him turn to that, then showed him a list of all HWA’s failed prophecies with the references so he could look them up himself when he wanted to.
There are other things his parents talked to him about (seeing how little the PCG gave to help people), and the financial report off the UK government website itself really resonated with him, too. [Read: Astounding PCG UK Financial Report (Where Is the Money Actually Going?)]
Another thing. About a year ago, his father texted him and told him he would give him $5000.00 if he could prove to him where the 144,000 and essentially the 288,000 Laodiceans (talked about in Malachi’s Message) came from. Because in PCG’s very own Raising the Ruins book, Stephen Flurry says the WCG’s peak weekly worldwide attendance was approximately 120,000 people. [Note by ESN: Please see our OIU Newsletter™ Volume 6, pt 1 (opens as PDF) and search for the words “Myth 1 & 2” to see how WCG membership numbers were inflated.] So those numbers don’t work and their little Laodicean theory doesn’t work!
This family member couldn’t answer the question so he asked Brad Macdonald, assistant dean of students, and Brad gave him the runaround about how “God just has more of the prophecy to reveal still.” So he walked away, knowing he wouldn’t get $5000.00 but a major doubt was then installed in his head! Eventually he left PCG. –[name withheld]
Comment: Read: Is Brad Macdonald Becoming More Mentally Unstable? (September 15, 2021 letter)
[Notice 8-19-22: We have made a link from the July 9 letter and article above entitled “Astounding PCG UK Financial Report” to an interesting letter we came across: Viewed Philadelphia Church of God Financial Accounts in the UK (December 5, 2010 letter to ESN). We were told this is probably why PCG started paying the ministry from Edmond.]
Why Wasn’t God Powerful Enough to Stop Satan?
August 20, 2022
In GF’s August 19, 2022 article, “How God Educates” he says the following: [all bolding and words in brackets mine]
Referring to I Samuel 3 about Samuel and Eli, he says, “The lamp was going out. The same thing happened in the Worldwide Church of God after Mr. Armstrong died. The open vision—the new revelation to add and build on to what Mr. Armstrong taught—faded away.” [How can something “fade away” if God is in it?]
The following will not be about analyzing GF’s article, but instead are some excerpts I gleaned from HWA’s co-worker letters (with some of my comments) in order for us to think logically about everything. My final conclusion will be at the end. Date of co-worker letter will be before the excerpt. [all caps HWA’s; bolding mine]
February 14, 1943: “God Himself is WORKING in this work.” [Notice, he says it is God who is working.]
February 25, 1974: “I have said before that Satan was attacking the Work of the living GOD, and that he would attack again. Now suddenly he is pulling out ALL STOPS in an effort to DESTROY God’s Work. … these deceived ministers allowing Satan to use them to try to DESTROY GOD’S CHURCH AND GOD’S WORK! … God is ABLE to SAVE HIS GREAT WORK! [Realize this was written back in 1974. The same thing was to have happened in 1995 during the “new changes” when the “lamp” was going out and faded. So why was God unable to save his Work during that time?]
June 13, 1978: “Satan has been doing his utmost to deceive and mislead God’s Church into SECULARISM… But in the past four to six weeks JESUS CHRIST has been moving dynamically to thwart Satan’s subtle deception WITHIN GOD’S CHURCH.” [Where, pray tell, was Jesus Christ in 1995 during the big “changes.”? Wasn’t He able to move dynamically again? Why were others, even Satan, more powerful than God?]
January 3, 1980: “I want to tell you the real significance of that massive attack by the attorney-general’s office of the State of California–and how God has spared this Work and kept it going–AND GROWING! …” [Why wasn’t God able to spare the Work when all the upheaval came in1995?]
January 3, 1980: “The actual movement of world events as prophesied WARNS US that all this MAY now occur in the decade we entered day before yesterday–and, if delayed past 1990, most certainly during the decade of the 90s.” [Most of us know that these world events did not happen in the decade of the 90’s.]
April 24, 1983: “But GOD is also moving swiftly right now, through his Church. [Why didn’t God move swiftly in 1995?] As I wrote you last month God has now opened the door for the fulfillment of the prophecy of Isaiah 40:9-10. That message now will go in power to the cities of Judah.” [We all know that failed to transpire and isn’t happening today under GF.]
October 25, 1985: “GOD ALMIGHTY WILL KEEP HIS WORK GOING FORWARD, and growing and multiplying in power and scope!” [Did God really keep “His Work” going forward and multiplying in power and scope?]
November 25, 1985: “GOD’S TIME HAS COME TO SPEED UP HIS WORK WITH DYNAMIC AND TREMENDOUS POWER! Time for completing the GREAT MISSION OF GOD in this dying world is fast running out on us! [Did God “speed up His Great Mission” after the big changes?] … Almost seven years ago, Satan struck what he thought would be the fatal blow to DESTROY God’s Church and Work. [talking about 1978] … But we must now LUNGE FORWARD in the FINAL LAP, coming in on the home stretch of the great Work God gave us to do.” [So Satan struck what was to be a fatal blow in 1978 and failed, but then in 1995 he struck a blow which ended up being successful into fracturing “God’s Work” into many pieces [offshoots]. Who is more powerful in this picture. God or Satan?]
January 1986 co worker letter (day not listed): “It is now true that this Gospel has been proclaimed within EVERY NATION ON EARTH BY THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD.” [So it says right in this 1986 letter that the gospel had been proclaimed. What is GF doing then? Some last minute “prophecy again” to the so-called Laodiceans? Is that in the Word of God?]
My concluding comments:
If the WCG was “the Work of the Living Creator, God” as HWA so often said and God was “opening new doors in television and in the PLAIN TRUTH distribution,” why was Satan seemingly more powerful than God? Why was Satan able to overthrow everything after HWA died? If we’re honest, we have to admit that GF is not doing a work like HWA did.
How could the “lamp start to go out” if God was behind His “Work”? Wasn’t God powerful enough to stop it? Isn’t God more powerful than Satan?
We can see how decades after HWA first started writing these co-worker letters that GF’s words attempt to pattern HWA’s words in many places. Every co-worker letter of HWA’s was a begging for money and for readers to “send the largest offering possible” because “time was short” or “time was running out.”
The only thing GF can’t do is copy HWA’s charisma and style of writing. GF will never measure up to HWA. He will never be a second Herbert Armstrong, no matter how much he yearns to be. This does not mean that HWA was not a con artist, or was not a compulsive, psychological liar. He was, and a very good one at that. But GF is no more carrying on “God’s work” than other splinters who came along and say they are doing the same thing.
Let’s face it. GF is an abysmal failure. He is carrying on a con, but not quite as effective of a con as HWA had going. He is losing members more as time goes on and he is not able to draw in the numbers HWA did due no doubt to the extensive exposure on the Internet today. All he can do is limp along, holding the few deceived members he has under his spell by claiming to be a Prophet, and appropriating many other titles, plus throwing out new revelations every so often like a carrot on a stick. That and his “important” work in Jerusalem.
It’s time to realize how we have been taken for a long bumpy ride and it’s time to get off this gravy train and see things for what they truly are. GF’s downfall may be delayed but it is certain to come. –S. O.
Would Love to Slap All of Them:
August 21, 2022
GF is gloating again about himself and his stupid college. I’d love to go visit the goons someday and slap all of them in the face for doing what they have done to way too many people. GF would be the last one I’d slap and it would be the biggest slap of all. –V. G.
GF Continues to Talk Foolish:
August 22, 2022
GF continues to talk strange, but really it is foolish, which is nothing new for him. The August 19 Friday Philadelphian, says that at the HWAC orientation, GF gave a lecture about “lessons from Abraham Lincoln” (this was to add to his presumptuous sermon he gave in May about Abraham Lincoln. To read about that sermon scroll up to the May 22 letter on this page: “GF’s Presumptions About Abraham Lincoln.”) At the orientation he told the students “they must be willing to fight to the death and must have a grand strategy.” [all bolding mine] Now why on earth would students be told to “fight to the death”? That kind of talk is more likely what the adult members would be told as they are often instructed to stick it out in PCG, or else they will die spiritually. An emphasis was placed on “going on the offensive in spiritual warfare.” This college is certainly not Christ-centered, but it is undeniably fear-centered. –FL
GF and SF Know Exactly What They’re Doing:
August 24, 2022
GF and SF are not dumb. They have got to know exactly what they’re doing and what kind of evil racket they are running because they can see it clearly spelled out in your article, “Identifying Marks of an Abusive Group.” How sick can someone be to continue to carry on this kind of abuse day in and day out! I’ve never been able to wrap my head around the insatiable greed for power and money these sociopaths have!! –A. R.
SF Looks Like a Goof Ball:
September 1, 2002
I agree with the June 19, 2021 letter “Gerald Flurry Looks Like a Shyster to Me” but his son Stephen Flurry looks like a goof ball. Do you know he actually has a younger picture of himself from years ago on his 2020 Facebook page (his most recent FB I could find)–instead of the cuckoo one presently posted on his Trumpet site? The one he’s been using today shows his unusual triangle-shaped mouth. I not only don’t like the look in his eyes, but I especially detest reading about how he has laughed at distressing events that a normal person wouldn’t deem funny at all. His callousness and reduced empathy clearly shine through; however, his skill at shoe-horning to make the news of today fit HWA’s “prophecies” confirms he is a chip off the old block. Best to stay away from both of them. –A. R.
PCG Doesn’t Know What They Are Talking About:
September 3, 2022
Joel Hilliker (in the August 22 Trumpet, article, “Get This Message While You Can”) tries to paint this hypothetical scenario where you can’t get the Trumpet any more:
“You open up your laptop and type in theTrumpet.com. 404 error. You type in pcg.church. 404 error. You check your inbox. It loads, but you have to scroll down a bit to get to the last Trumpet Brief or Signposts e-mails.”
If you get a 404 that means the server you tried to hit doesn’t understand what you want from the URL you sent, but the server is still available. It has to be available to return the 404. His example suggests PCG servers are misconfigured, not unavailable.
These guys never know what they are talking about. –J. R.
Joel Hiliker’s Article About a Famine of the Word:
September 3, 2022
To give more input on the above letter: The main reason for a 404 error is when website content has been removed or moved to another URL. It usually means that a link is broken or does not lead to a valid page on that website. However, in this article (“Get This Message While You Can”), Hillilker wants you to think that “God’s people” have all fled for the Place of Safety and the Tribulation has begun and the one trying to reach the Trumpet website or get through to them with their phone aren’t part of God’s special elect and have been “left behind.”
Another erroneous thing Hilliker says in the article is that when you call the Trumpet‘s phone number you get a “busy signal.” A busy signal means the line being called is “engaged” (i.e., the person is busy with another call) or the phone is off the hook. It doesn’t mean that no one is available because they fled to the Place of Safety.
Hilliker throws out more fear by saying: “Serious persecution will come against God’s message. At the peak of persecution, God’s people who have proclaimed that message must flee. The broadcasting and publishing work as it exists today will cease. Then the Tribulation begins.” During this time, people will evidently be “hunting for the truth but starving. This will be a time of crazed hunger for God’s word.”
He talks about how “authority figures order God’s messenger [i.e., GF] to get out of the country and move all the way to the Jewish nation in the Mideast.” This is more unbiblical crazy talk. He wants others to believe people will be frantically searching for what PCG teaches. Most of the article is a cobbling together of what HWA taught and prophesied and mixing Israel up with the church (an error which has been covered many times in the letters on this site).
He talks about how “two faithful messengers will be the lone voices of warning heard during this time of world war.” Is he hinting at Gerald Flurry and Stephen Flurry being the “two witnesses” just as in WCG many of us thought the two witnesses would be Herbert Armstrong and Garner Ted Armstrong?
So much of what he says is ironically similar to what WCG taught; i.e., “Prophecies show that these saints [God’s people] will be beautifying that wilderness, fashioning it into a lush ‘garden of Eden.'” That sounds exactly like what Gerald Waterhouse taught and how he said (in his fertile imagination) we would have gardens in the Place of Safety. Can’t PCG ever have anything original?
Hilliker wants readers to believe (and fear) that we don’t have much time left. He says: “This prophecy is about to be fulfilled. The context shows that the time is close.” He ends with: “The end of this age of man is near. Soon a famine of the Word of God will descend.” [bolding mine]
Herbert Armstrong essentially blasted out the exact same garbage over and over for decades. (See: Did Herbert Armstrong Set Dates?)
This is simply another article to put extreme fear into readers’ minds and coerce them into giving more to “the Work” and staying put. PCG knows nothing but to control people with fear. Fear is not of God. The phrases “Fear not and be not afraid” are mentioned over and over in the Scriptures. So if someone is teaching you all this fear, it is time to get out of that organization! –AJW
PCG Refuses to Cancel Bible Study In Spite of Member’s Pulmonary Embolism at Services:
September 5, 2022
My dad was the only one in our family in PCG. The rest of wanted nothing to do with it. We still had a great relationship. My mom and my dad got along great, married for 46 years and loved each other dearly. She wasn’t happy about the “church,” but what can you do?
A week ago he was at services, said the final prayer before lunch (Bible study is afterwards). He was in line getting some food when he fell to the ground. CPR was started and 911 called. Can you please help me understand why they still had their Bible study? No one followed the ambulance to the hospital!! He was alone when he passed (pulmonary embolism). My mom was 2 hours away at home (yes, he drove 2 hours each way to go to services). The rest of us came in out of state right away. I’m so angry about that. They all witnessed it, yet the decision was made to have Bible study. Out of respect for my dad it should’ve been cancelled. Maybe something you’ll say will make the anger go away. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Comment: This person has received a personal reply.
In Spite of PCG’s Insensitive Behavior, They Didn’t Pull Us Apart as a Family:
(2nd email from person above)
September 6, 2022
Thank you for responding. We were still a family, the PCG didn’t pull as apart at all. My mom and dad always came to TX to visit. He’d even sit with us while we opened Christmas presents and had an 80th birthday party for him. My dad was healthy and this is just such a shock…..he was 82. I just keep thinking about the people he called friends (and the thousands and thousands of $$ he gave to them) didn’t give 2 shits about being at the hospital with my dad when they rushed him away. I also keep thinking about how my dad would’ve felt that no one was there. It happened last Saturday, the 27th. All I do is cry.
My sister and I had to go pick up his car. It was parked at a “church” friend’s house and we sat down and talked to him. He was crying and said he really thought Bible study would’ve been cancelled. I know who made the call to still have Bible study and I may text him and let him know exactly how I feel, not that it would make a difference. My dad was so smart and I just can’t understand how he got sucked into this awful place!
I will say that 2 couples that my dad always talked to and knew my mom waited for her to get to the hospital, took her to the hotel, out to eat and waited with her until I got there from [Texas]. That made me feel better. Sorry for all the rambling and like you said, we’re lucky our family wasn’t torn apart like some I’ve read about. Thank for listening. ❤️ –H. C. (Impacted by loved one in PCG)
Ross Macdonald Ordained Local Church Elder:
September 6, 2022
Ross Macdonald was ordained a local church elder by Aaron Hudson on July 30 and serves the Sydney congregation. He is John Macdonald‘s youngest son who was a deacon in Sydney, Australia. If he turns out anything like his Dad, John, God save us, but most likely he will be more like Brad and Kirk [deceased; read: Kirk Macdonald Dies Without Medical Care] who are, and were, acolytes to the PCOG god king Gerald Flurry! –[name withheld]
Printer for Royal Vision Experiences Equipment Failures:
September 6, 2022
It appears that the printer for Royal Vision experienced some “equipment failure” while printing the July-August issue. However, readers are not to phone PCG and tell them they received a bad copy; i.e., “poor trimmed,” they must email them [at a certain address] with a photo of their damaged copy to evidently prove it’s really damaged. PCG says, “A limited number of replacement copies are available upon request, and PDFs are available from the archive.” This shouldn’t be any loss for those who read this propaganda machine. –FL
PCG Not Replacing Certain Ministers at the Same Ratio:
September 8, 2022
I wonder if anyone else has noticed that the PCG isn’t replacing the ministers who have died or have been fired at the same ratio, and the ones they have ordained have good jobs outside of the PCG–not employed by the cult–so they save paying them a salary. The latest example of this is Ross Macdonald. More money in the Flurry family pockets. –T. C.
September 10, 2022
I am happy I found your site as I struggle with myself. Since 2016 I have been watching the preaching of Norbert Link (Church of the Eternal God) and since 2 years ago follow as well the preaching, news and updates of the Philadelphia Church of God and the Living Church. To some degree their teaching appears right to me, but at several points I feel they don’t even live up to what they’ve said; for example, they talk about not judging or being merciful but on the other hand call people bad names within their preaching or get really aggressive (at least with Norbert Link it seems to be the case)
I was corresponding with him [Norbert Link] since I first listened to his preaching 6 years ago but then I didn’t get any response anymore and it seems he blocked me as he didn’t liked my critical email I sent him this year after disagreeing on a preaching regarding Putin and Ukraine. It seems any criticism is forbidden and no one is willing to have a fair argument.
I received a few weeks ago the Mystery of the Ages from Gerald Flurry and the Trumpet people and was already contacting them in regards to meeting them to join their group but what I read here [on ESN] about their “church” and the preaching was really hitting me as I can’t imagine someone just making that up.
However, I can’t find inner rest as I feel unworthy of Christ and His blood, in particular after leaving my church that I was a member in for almost 5 years. After a heavy disappointment, I feel like I am not close to Christ at all, hardly read the Bible, increase again in sins (which I had overcome some years ago at least to a certain level) and I often feel I won’t ever receive eternal life anyway as I can’t fulfill the Law though I partly tried and try to keep it.
I think your site among others was partly mentioned in recent preaching by Norbert Link, who said in slightly other words that you and some other people (who were made for an example in a series of Herbert Armstrong’s life on Netflix) are cursed beings used by Satan to bring true Christians off the way to eternal life.
I just watched a preaching today [about the 3rd Resurrection] and am afraid to possibly be in it. What can I do to get rid of my fears and find assurance/confidence again?
Kinds regards, –D. K.
Comment: This man has received a personal reply. It must be emphasized that someone will not be able to have inner peace until they decide to stop listening to these teachings from COGE, LCG, PCG and others like them. Later, in checking our site about COEG, it appears that this man wrote ESN on September 8, 2017: “Influenced by Church of the Eternal God.
(2nd email from person above:)
September 10, 2022
Yes, I know that deep down, but somehow I am yet attached to it as something keeps forcing me to go and keep reading their news, booklets or listening their preaching. I will pray and put all my strength in that I stop listening to all that and lose that fear inside me. I am sorry if I am a burden to you, I just want my confidence back and stop being scared.
I found Christ personally in 2015 by the influence of a friend and sadly got about a year later in contact with the Armstrongism offshoots by accident. It seems as a young believer you are in particular prone to wrong teachings.
I am grateful to all your help and support.I wish I could meet someone of you in real life at some point (a member who lives in Germany as well maybe) and get more information to break free again from that influence and reassure myself in Christ again.
Much Regards from Düsseldorf, Germany –D. K.
Gerald Flurry: New King of England?
September 11, 2022
Hi ESN, I have written something about Flurry’s new throne: “Gerald Flurry: New King of England?” It’s a bit tongue in cheek! It’s written from the perspective of one of his blind followers. –Former PCG member
What I Think Gerald Flurry Deserves:
September 12, 2022
Was that article satire? [“Gerald Flurry: New King of England?“] It did make me laugh and, at the same time, angry. Just the five points outlined alone proves that. Here’s what I think of Gerald Flurry and what he deserves:
“But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, THAT PROPHET shall die.” (Deuteronomy 18:20)
May that day come soon. –S. T.
Comment: We have now linked to two letters at the end of that satire article which shows the throne of David could only be overturned 3 times.
My Reply to D. K.
September 13, 2022
I would like to respond to D.K.’s letters from September 10, 2022 in this testimony of mine “PCG Can Ruin Your Life” because I used to feel the same. –former PCG member
The Pull of Their Literature is Diabolical:
September 15, 2022
I can see how the pull of their literature, sermons, etc., could be difficult to shed. Their “prophecies” and sermons were designed to keep the mind fascinated. That is much of their appeal to the members or readers, and ensures the organizations a steady source of money. It’s diabolical, really. I will remember D. K. in prayer. –L. V.
Watching and Reading Their Material Has Over Time Affected My Life:
September 15, 2022
Hello, I have only been a casual follower of all these Armstrong “churches” but I think somehow over time watching and reading their materials has affected my life. I’ve always been attracted to prophecy which is likely the reason I keep following them. All changed with GFs relentlessly Trump prophecy and electronic fraud which really made me sick. Obviously they aren’t really a “church” but rather an extreme right wing group. –D. F.
Comment: Read our article: Leaders of Totalistic Groups Have These Trails in Common.
Singles Bible Study:
September 18, 2022
They had a Bible study last night in Edmond. It sounds like Ryan Malone is really pushing the singles to get hooked up with someone and start pumping out those babies. Times must be getting more and more desperate for them since I’m sure GF knows there have been too many leaving. –W. P.
Travel Itinerary for George and Alexa Haddad Displayed to the Whole PCG:
September 18, 2022
Interesting that the latest Friday Philadelphian announces George and Alexa Haddad are returning from Jerusalem after working on the Ophel excavation at the Armstrong Institute of Biblical Archaeology and going to the UK. Neither one of them are employed by the “Work” so why do we need to know their travel itinerary displayed to the whole PCG? Or is it because Alexa is GF’s granddaughter? Do we need to know what the royal family is up to now?
GF also wrote two articles for the upcoming Royal Vision, one of them “based on his recent address in Jerusalem at the Armstrong Institute of Biblical Archaeology”–which I am sure was a very big feather for GF’s cap. He will be visiting Portland, Oregon for the Feast of Trumpets (September 26) and then will begin the Feast of Tabernacles in Edmond. From there he will travel to Panama City and the Poconos. –OK
PCG Members Naming Their Baby Boys Less Common Biblical Names:
September 21, 2022
Ever notice how the “ministers/leaders” in PCG have been hung up on naming their boys “Bible names?” (I won’t mention the Bible names they’ve given their girls.) And realize when I say this I am not against Bible names since we “in the world” have heard of, or named our own children, good Bible names such as “David,” “Joshua,” “Philip” “Daniel” or “Jonathan” but these PCG members seem to choosing less common “biblical” names like: Jude, Ezekiel, Micah, Benjamin, Amos, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jordan, or Jonah. Next thing you know one of them will be naming their baby boy Adaiah, Hosea, Obadiah, Azariah, Habakkuk, Elijah (no I don’t think they will choose that one), or how about Jaasiel (that one means “God’s Work”)–and who knows, maybe some PCG parents already have. I wonder if they think that if they give their boy a “biblical name” he will grow up to be just like his name and be a strong committed PCG member. To the contrary, many of these “biblically named children” have ended up washing their hands of PCG and leaving. –J. J.
PCG Zealously Going About With Their O.T. Rituals:
September 23, 2022
Even though this verse is applying to Israel, it made me think of PCG members and what they are doing this time of year as they zealously go about with all their O.T. rituals, thinking it is what God demands, but not having knowledge. They are trying to establish their own righteousness by the works of the Law, knowing nothing about how God is the one who gives righteousness to those who through faith believe and trust in Him. “For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” (Romans 10:2-4 NKJV) PCG does not understand that Christ fulfilled the righteous demands of the Law. Since PCG ministers are always quoting from the O.T., I thought the verse was apropos. –[name withheld]
Cannot Believe How Much My Life Has Changed:
September 27, 2022
I’ve been out now for a little over 2 years and I cannot believe how much my life has changed. I finally feel myself, I finally see my life catapult forward and finally feel happy with no fear of going into the Tribulation or losing my eternal life hanging over me.
I just can’t believe I didn’t wake up earlier! And I can’t believe the drivel I used to believe. When I look back, I can see it was mind control and brainwashing that kept me there. Never again. –Former PCG member [name withheld]
Would Like a Page About Those Who Threaten to Sue the ESN:
September 29, 2022
The name of the game with cults is intimidation. Bullying. Threatening. They simply follow their basic MO in everything they do.
I think putting up a page that says something like “those who threaten to sue ESN” would be a nice touch. –[name withheld]
Comment: We have just put a page up and entitled it: I Want to Sue the ESN! It includes the letters we posted yesterday, plus an extra one that we received in the past from Timothy Oostendarp, a PCG minister.
PCG Erecting a New Gym at HQs:
September 29, 2022
Note: The info in this letter has been moved to Philadelphia Church of God Info under “New gym is erected.”
October 1, 2022
It truly amazes me what long term effects are from being in and getting out of WCG and the splinters. All it took was one person (HWA) to destroy so much in life. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Letters Wanting to Sue Were Funny:
October 3, 2022
I thought those letters threatening a law suit were funny. Like that would stand a chance. –Former PCG member
Edmond’s HQ’s Lake Almost Bone Dry Now:
October 8, 2022
Have you seen how low Edmond’s HQ’s lake is now? It’s almost bone dry. Down at least 6 feet or so. You can almost walk from one side to the other. This is the page I use: https://www.okcweather.com/station/edmond_north/liveview.htm
They have rain finally in their forecast for the next few days, but it’s gonna take a lot to fill that back up. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Comment: It is viewable, just not until 7 or 8 am their time.
Son in PCG Will Not Visit His Grandpa on Deathbed:
October 10, 2022
I have family members in PCG. They have been involved since 2000. My grandpa is currently on his deathbed and his son will not come and say his final goodbyes because there is some sort of PCG feast going on in another state at the moment. I am at a loss of what to do. Our family is devastated. Is there anyway I can help them break free of this cult or is the reality that they will not leave unless it’s initiated by themselves? Thank you, –K.
Comment: This person has received a personal reply.
Also see: “If You Have a Loved One in a Deceptive, Exploitive Group” (includes what to do and what not to do)
A Badge of Honor for Members Not Leave the Feast for any Reason:
October 10, 2022
That’s horrible about the son in PCG refusing to visit his dying grandfather during the Feast, but not surprising. Some PCG members actually look at a situation like this as a “badge of honor” for not leaving the FOT for any purpose, even a death in the (non-member) family. My mate in PCG has told me about PCG members’ non-member spouses dying, or being critically ill, yet they brag about still attending. If that’s not sick and twisted, I don’t know what is. I remember being told about a PCG member whose spouse (also a member) who died right before the FOT. The member had his spouse’s body stored frozen in the funeral home’s freezers until he could return home and take care of the arrangements. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Thanks for All Your Work:
(2nd email from person who wrote 10-10-22 letter: “Son in PCG Will Not Visit His Grandpa on Deathbed.”)
October 10, 2022
Thanks so much for your prompt reply. I suspected this was the case. Thanks for all the work you’re doing to educate people and assist people trying to leave this cult.
Kind regards, –K.
Gerald Flurry Falls Down from Bathtub in the Midst of Feast of Tabernacles
October 25, 2022
The PCG is making every effort so as not to allow the spillover of this embarrassing news which happened during their Feast of Tabernacles this year. It was reported that, in the midst of their Feast, Gerald Flurry accidentally fell from a bathtub which made him incapable of delivering his Last Great Day message. The ministry had requested to pray for his healing and the members were expecting for a “group fast” very soon.
When are they going to wake up? Their God is not answering their prayers. There is no healing and people are dying. It’s like the words of Job, “When I looked for good, then evil came unto me: and when I waited for light, there came darkness.” (Job 30:26) –D. S.
I Wanted to Laugh:
October 26, 2022
I saw the letter about GF falling. I know I shouldn’t say this, but I’m glad to hear this. I wanted to laugh about it. I’m sure his days are numbered and then SF will have to take the helm. –Impacted by loved one in PCG
Often the Beginning of the End When the Elderly Fall:
October 26, 2022
A lot of times when elderly people fall, it’s the beginning of the end for them. Let’s hope that’s the case with this family- wrecking, megalomaniac, cult leader. –Former PCG member
GF Will Be Elevated to the Highest Pedestal:
October 26, 2022
“That Prophet” (GF) is definitely drawing closer to the end of his luxury-filled days when he (if he doesn’t repent) will have to give account to God for all the evil he has carried out which has ruined and destroyed lives. After he “kicks the bucket,” he will be elevated to the highest pedestal and given no end of accolades along with justifications as to why he was “taken out of the way.” It remains to be seen as to what biblical title or titles will be given to “2nd in command” lofty and proud instigator of evil” Stephen Flurry as he attempts to fill GF’s large shoes. I’m sure GF and his so-called top ministers have been planning all along what they will do and say when that time comes. –A. R.
Suspected Vicki Barreiro Would Become a Caregiver as Wife:
October 26, 2022
Oh, wow! The years are catching up with GF. I suspected, when GF remarried, that his new wife Vicki Barreiro was to be as much of a caregiver as a wife as we knew there were signs he was getting feeble, and this supports my assumption. –L. J.
Abused and Suspended in Trinidad:
October 29, 2022
The experience I had in the Philadelphia Church of God was the worst. The minister there favoured those he apparently knew for a long time. I always used to feel afraid. A lot of foolish things goes on in there and members are afraid to speak out because they don’t want to get suspended. … –Suspended member of PCG in Trinidad [name withheld] [Note: We have posted this person’s full story here: Abused and Suspended in Trinidad.]
PCG Slowly Dying as an Organization:
October 30, 2022
PCG posted a fairly long list of baptisms (15 of them) in their October 22 Announcements. Only 3 were in the United States, 2 were in Australia, 1 in Canada, the rest were overseas. While there were more than normal baptisms, it’s has certainly not been the normal trend. Typically, there are more deaths than baptisms, and not all the deaths are being reported. I personally know of several that haven’t been reported so no doubt there are more that I don’t know of. I also keep hearing of more people leaving. They can push through as many baptisms as they want but they are slowly dying as an organisation. –Former member of PCG
Grant Turgeon Ordained Local Elder:
October 30, 2022
Grant Turgeon [oldest son of Wayne Turgeon and brother of Micah Turgeon] of the Edmond congregation was ordained a local elder on October 11 by Gerald Flurry and Andrew Locher. He will serve in the Edmond congregation. –[name withheld]
Comment: One can do a Search on our site for the name “Grant Turgeon” to see the unfavorable information on him. Be aware that Grant Turgeon is the oldest child of 4 children and Micah Turgeon, (who recently left PCG), is the youngest child.
Don’t Be Afraid to Test PCG and Its One Man Government:
November 5, 2022
This is in regards to the testimony Abused and Suspended in Trinidad. I know of this minister [Samuel Seebran] and I know of the culture of the Trinidad congregation where members are recruited to spy and report on the other members, where there is so much fear and distrust among members that people are afraid to freely express themselves.
People who were never a part of the WCG offshoots and do not understand the psychology of the members will not be able to understand why they continue to subject themselves to such abuse. I believe it’s because of brainwashing and fear. It is the same reason the Germans supported Hitler in his atrocities. It’s the same reason the entire world went crazy during the pandemic about masks and vaccines. Brainwashing!! The more one knows the more one has to unlearn–Herbert Armstrong knew this and wrote a lot about it but it was applied to others; however, it has to be applied to ourselves.
We have to ask the hard questions that our minds do not want to ask. Is the PCG the true church? Is Gerald Flurry a true prophet? Was Herbert Armstrong a true apostle and the Elijah? These are answers that no one else can answer to your satisfaction but you. To determine truth from fiction we need a baseline and that baseline is the Bible and church history. The PCG wants members glued to their booklets and sermons–which gives their view of church history and their understanding of the Bible, but you must break free of this.
God expects us to be critical thinkers or else He would not have written Deuteronomy 13 and 18. I don’t think these are chapters the PCG wants members to know of as in them God commands the Israelites to reject self-proclaimed prophets based on certain criteria. So test these self-proclaimed prophets and if they fail they fail. They are not to be followed. The PCG and its ministers like to test its members’ loyalty and degree of conversion. Now it’s time for them to be tested!! Don’t be afraid to test them!! Don’t be afraid of the so-called “Government of God” either because if you read the Old Testament and the New Testament one-man government is not really the case.
Paul gave instructions to ordain elders (plural) in every city and church (Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5). No one-man government there.
Similarly Acts 15 reflects this same type of institution adopted by the Church apparently presided over by James the half brother of Jesus.
Generally speaking, a one-man government is dangerous and not scriptural!! It’s funny that the PCG says it’s a curse to trust in man (Jeremiah 17:9) (including your own self) but it is understood that they, their ministry, are excluded because they are in a special category–the “Government of God“!! –[name withheld]
Comment: More about HWA and his Hitler methods of control can be found in the Herbert W. Armstrong section.
Is GF a Father to the Inhabitants of Judah, or a Father of Lies?
November 7, 2022
The K.O.D. program on September 30, 2022 titled “Queen Elizabeth II Made a Fatal Mistake” centered around the subject of the death of Queen Elizabeth II. Could GF be the one making a fatal mistake in overstepping royal boundaries and by suggesting he sits higher up in royal authority than the Queen of England?
GF in his secret sermons has implied that he is to be as a “father” to Jerusalem and the house of Judah. How is it that he is able to make himself out to be a “father to the inhabitants of Judah” just by setting foot in Israel in the footprints of HWA, and then by means of taking the members’ extorted money and pressured donations to his Jerusalem Fund, and giving that money over to the cause of “biblical” archaeology? Does he think to purchase Jerusalem archaeology for himself and also gain an imaginary status of “fatherhood?” from it?
Many times, GF has in his sermons quoted the verse Isaiah 22:21 while subtlety applying it towards himself, in identifying himself as a “father to the inhabitants of Judah…” Does he truly believe that only he, GF, will be the one to tell them, saying, “unto the cities of Judah,” as he has quoted countless times now, in referring to the commission he supposes to have, “Behold your God!” quoting Isaiah 40:9? (Is this to command the Jewish people to behold God, or to behold a man who acts like a god?)
How dare GF imply that the people of Israel and Jerusalem are so ignorant of their own history that the Jewish people need a con-artist and megalomaniac such as him to deliver “the truth” about Jerusalem and Israel to them, acting as if he, GF, and not the Jewish people, practically owns Jerusalem already? That “church” in its lofty imagination does practically pretend to own Jerusalem archaeology like some poster child of their own.
Does being able to distort the Bible verses which contain “the key of David” (in Isaiah 22 and Revelation 3) and by placing them into his own context in order to support his personal biblical fantasy somehow make him a father to the Jews of Israel, or even as a new “king” of Judah? Does GF in his own mind, now believe he is the de facto “king of Judah” as well as of England?
It is the Lamb of God, the real Lamb of God, not an imaginary “christ come in the flesh” figurehead, who now sits on the throne on the right hand of our Father in heaven? The Bible does not tell of some man acting as a throne warmer and tithe collector, sitting in the place of Jesus till He returns.
How can some money grubbing man lay claim to being as a “father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah” who has done nothing at all to assist the oppressed, including the Jewish refugees fleeing from Ukraine?
Who is more “worldly” in withholding their money from helping anyone, including disaster victims, and even their own poor, than the PCG? And yet somehow GF would convince people that Jews and the people of Jerusalem will look up to him as their “father” and worship at his feet? Who could be more delusional? –[name withheld]
GF Trying to Fake More of a Smile Now:
November 7, 2022
It has been brought up in the past how “fake prophet” GF always showed a sourpuss face with a furrowed and studious brow on his church site [See July 1 letter above: “Gerald Flurry Doesn’t Smile”], then later attempted to change his looks slightly by bringing the corners of his mouth up. Well, either he or one of his gorilla goons must have read the ESN letters about all this because on his geraldflurry.com site he is shown trying to fake more of a smile now and is tipping his head a little to the side to present interest and agreement. But that smile still comes across to me as a wicked smile. I don’t think he could show a genuine and honest smile if his pathetic and evil life depended on it. –P.
PCG Disregards Jesus:
November 8, 2022
Thank God for ESN being a safe platform not only for sharing the negative side of our experiences, but also for offering positive and helpful solutions. Healing is the objective here over all, and Jesus is the ultimate cure. Sometimes when immersed in the issues of religious abuse and fraud, people forget Jesus is there, and I have been guilty of that. We must remember Him. I know that the PCG effectually trains people to disregard Jesus, and that fact does not help any struggling traumatized ex-member who has been so brainwashed. –[name withheld]
Will Members Run Out of PCG If Trump Doesn’t Become President in 2024?
November 14, 2022
The future of the Flurry administration, Stephen’s succession after his dad dies, and the PCG staying together as a group, all depends on whether or not Gerald Flurry’s prophecy about Trump becoming president in 2024 is fulfilled. If President Trump does not become president in 2024, members are going to run out of the PCG so fast you would think they recognized they’ve been following a false teacher since 1989. Wait for it. –G. T.
Reply: We seriously doubt this will come true. Read the excellent letter “Members Will Adjust Their Thinking and Go On” (November 9, 2020 )which says that in spite of failed prophecies, members in apocalyptic groups (after their initial confusion) will usually make some other excuse and go right on believing. Refer to the book, When Prophecy Fails by Leon Festinger. If Trump is not elected, GF will come up with an excuse. We have many articles on our site showing this; i.e., Gerald Flurry Sweeps Trump Prophecy Under the Rug.
Those in PCG Always Sick or Dying:
November 21, 2022
The feast this year was same old, same old. The same old indoctrination. Yes, it’s true, GF fell out of the bathtub. I’m expecting another “fast” soon for the health of the ministry, etc. It’s weird how they are always sick or dying. I think a few members have been using the excuse of having “Covid” to get out of going to services. –[name withheld]
PCG Not Really Keeping the Feast:
November 21, 2022
I have a lot of family in [these groups]. Especially in PCG they have made an idol of HWA. They insist they’re keeping Feasts, but none have ever made an “offering by fire.” At the tabernacle was where the only place an altar with fire was located. As I read Hebrews 9 Christ would’ve suffered often since creation. [“not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another—He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.” Hebrews 9:25-26 NKJV]
Also, Numbers 28-29 helps in knowing what an offering by fire was. The two daily offerings are “continual burnt offerings.” The daily two offerings were followed by all the other offerings:
Numbers 28:10 beside the continual burnt offering….
Numbers 28:15 beside the continual burnt offering…
Numbers 28:24 beside the continual burnt offering…
Numbers 28:31 beside the continual burnt offering…
Numbers 29:6 Beside the burnt offering of the month, and his meat offering, and the daily burnt offering…
Wondering How We Became Sucked Into Such Abuse:
November 21, 2022
I am grateful to be able to read what other ex-members and currently oppressed members have to relate. As you well know, our freedom of speech was severely suppressed in and by that “church” and that makes their comments all the more important.
Reading more and more testimonies of ex-members, and those older comments in the ESN letter archives, alleviates the guilt of becoming a “dissident.” But then in wondering just how we all became sucked into such abuse, it leaves behind another kind of shame for having been involved in it and for cooperating with it.
I feel sad for people whom I know and have cared for that are still being abused. I hope they, too, would be led to break out of the PCG.
I am sending something I wrote for you to post. –Former member of PCG
Comment: Read this man’s testimony: Philadelphia Church of God Is Guilty of Much Evil!
GF Suffered Contusion in Lower Back After His Fall and Condition Has Worsened:
November 23, 2022
I just heard from my friend who spoke with a PCG member that Gerald Flurry suffered contusion in one side of his lower back when he fell in the toilet during their FOT this year. [See October 25 letter above about this fall.] His inability to produce a new episode for his Key of David (KOD) program proved that his condition has further worsened after the Feast.
It is interesting to note that Gerald Flurry’s recent fall was his second. His first fall happened on January 4th, 2014 while delivering a sermon in Edmond.
His continuing absence from his KOD program and his deteriorating health condition are now causes of major concern to the whole PCG.
For the past four weeks after FOT, they have aired repeat episodes of the KOD. The latest one, which they labeled as “new,” was just a recording of GRF’s address from the September 4th opening of the Armstrong Institute of Biblical Archaeology. Last week they had to call in Brad Macdonald as a new presenter of KOD.
But why employ a new presenter if GRF is coming back? Are they trying to condition the mind of their members and the public that GRF’s time is almost up? –D. S.
Not Surprised the Ministry is Hiding the Severity of GF’s Fall & Injuries:
November 23, 2022
I am not surprised that the ministry is hiding the severity of GF’s fall and injuries. They are all about the image and controlling the narrative in a way that best suits them. I am curious as to what explanation they gave to the members who would be wondering why Brad is now doing the KOD. I would have assumed Stephen would have taken that roll. Maybe they think they can get some someone a little more charismatic. –T. C.
GF Said God Would Allow Him to Be Alive During Christ’s Return:
November 23, 2022
While we were still attending, I specifically remember GF saying God would allow him to be alive during Christ”s return. He said it dogmatically and I remember thinking that was a crazy thing to say! It was said under the context of him having the ability to bind and lose, and open and close doors. And it was as if he was binding the fact that he’d be alive. Hopefully, that arrogant comment stuck with others, too, and when he dies, maybe they’ll wake up. –Former PCG member
More Than One Person May Take the Helm of PCG:
November 30, 2022
I’ve known for some time that GF was demon-possessed. I believe that the PCG members may be being conditioned for someone else (or more than one person) to take the helm of the PCG. The evidence seems to certainly point that way. When GF’s reign ends, it probably will spell the end of the PCG as the prominent splinter group of WCG. –G. C.
Stephen Flurry Will Be the Leader After GF Dies:
December 2, 2022
Regarding the person who commented that more than one person may take over once Gerald Flurry dies. This isn’t true. I was told emphatically back in the late 90s that it is all set up for Stephen to become the “Pastor General” after Gerald assumes room temperature. It’s official and in writing.
The person who told me this was a close friend of Stephen’s who partially grew up with him in Washington state, and also worked at HQ at the time. I do not remember his name. He was never a minister, so not a prominent name that most would recognize anyway. May not be at HQ now. He was actually a decent fella and never seemed to be the HQ type. He may have made something of himself away from the Edmond trap. –M. Daniel [real name used with permission]
NOTICE: Some exiters may be interested in the following for this time of year: Should we observe “pagan” holidays? (will cover Christmas) [info from our Q&A] (12-1-22)
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