NOTE: Recent letters start at bottom.
I Find Your Website Super Interesting and Helpful:
January 13, 2019
I’m a child born into the PCG, and my mother recently told me about your website. I find it to be super interesting, and helpful. It’d be super awesome if you could get back to me soon. Thanks. –Child survivor of PCG
Gerald Flurry Doing Unusual Stuff Lately:
April 1, 2019
Gerald Flurry has been doing some unusual stuff lately, from sporting a beard (he looks old enough already without the beard; he’s starting to show his age, and he’s not aging well) to calling for a fast on a Sabbath–which hypes the urgency of it–because of money being “scarce” (no doubt money is “scarce” because of his “high maintenance” personal jet) and wanting to build another “college” in Jerusalem. He’s really milking the members for everything he can get, using whatever means he can. I can’t imagine too many people wanting to stay in the PCG. –S. N.
Amazed by Those Who Continue to Believe What False Ministers Have Taught Them:
April 10, 2019
At this time of the year I am always amazed at those people who left, or were disfellowshipped from the WCG/PCG/COG’s, and annually perform all the rituals of cleaning out the house, searching for the last crumb of leaven as instructed by HWA and GF.
Once they leave they continue to believe all they were taught by these false ministers, crucifying Christ again every year and are unaware that Christ was a once off final sacrifice for the forgiveness of all their sins. The giving of the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ has also come and Christians are led by the Holy Spirit.
How they can believe anything that GF teaches at this time of their lives is astonishing. –Ex WCG and PCG
PCG Has Lost Many Members in Florida:
May 2, 2019
PCG tends to meet in fairly large cities, and members are driving further and further. They have combined several congregations (as the membership shrinks), and try to have a minister with the larger groups every week. My understanding is that sermons are sent to the leading person in an area to an electronic device. Once the message is played, it disintegrates. –Former member of PCG [name removed]
More on Gerald Flurry’s Health:
May 15, 2019
The news is that GF has an ulcer on his leg which requires him to keep his leg elevated whenever possible. He also sits behind a desk at his speaking engagements. –[name withheld]
Dustin Nice Died:
May 21, 2019
Dustin Nice age 26 died in Greenville/Taylors, South Carolina on April 20th. He is the youngest child of Greg and Desi Nice. He leaves his wife Whitney, in-laws, brothers, and extended family. Dustin passed from metastatic colon cancer that had moved to the abdominal lining. Limited treatment was available. –Gail Nice Inglima
Wondered if Anyone Else Had Experienced the Back Stabbing That I Saw in PCG:
June 9, 2019
Hello. I just found your site today and I want to thank you for making it a public site. I was a member of the PCG for more than a decade and I can totally relate to much of what was written and even cried a little. I was always wondering if any one else had experienced some of the back stabbing B.S. that I saw taking place in the PCG. The article by Kieren Underwood about HWAC college [Life at Herbert W. Armstrong College] was the best. He gets it. He saw the best and the worst there, I guarantee. Thanks again. –[name withheld]
Feast Sites for 2019:
June 28, 2019
The Feast sites for 2019 are:
Edmond, Oklahoma (headquarters)
Lake Geneva, Wisconsin
Indian Wells, California
Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario, Canada
Invermere, British Columbia, Canada
Mount Irvine, Tobago
Henley-in-Arden, United Kingdom
Buffelspoort, Republic of South Africa
Tweed Heads, Australia
Baguio City, Philippines
Gerald Flurry’s New Throne of David
July 1, 2019
So…about Gerald Flurry’s “New Throne of David” idea. Well now. I’m totally confused because in the United States and Britain in Prophecy book, HWA says David’s throne is overturned (transferred) only 3 times and won’t be overturned again until Christ’s second coming when God Himself gives David’s throne to Christ. HWA uses Ezekiel 21:25-27 as the Bible verse proof. And on pages 86-102 of United States and Britain in Prophecy (copyright 1980 WCG), HWA shows that God transferred (overturned) David’s throne only 3 times from Zedekiah’s line to Ireland (first overturn), then to Scotland (second overturn), then to England (third and final overturn).
If David’s throne was moved again, that would be overturn #4…and Ezekiel 21:27 says that, after 3 overturns, God won’t move David’s throne again until Christ’s Second Coming when God Himself gives David’s throne to Jesus Christ. I smell a rat.–G. T.
Flurry’s “Prophecy” Might Shake Certain Members’ Faith in Him:
August 2, 2019
If GF’s “prophecy” in January 2017 [See January 14, 2017 PCG Letter] about President Trump fails, it might shake certain members’ faith in GF. He has “prophesied” that Trump will be re-elected and will force the members of the PCG to be deported to Jerusalem, and will also be assassinated in his second term. –T. H.
Flurry Doesn’t Know Which to Do:
August 3, 2019
Gerald Flurry looks like he doesn’t know whether to smile or look serious like a “prophet” should. He winds up trying to do both, and it doesn’t work. –[name withheld]
Gerald Flurry Prophesied in 1996 About Race Riots:
August 9, 2019
Hello to all the people at Exit and support Network™
I came into the PCG in June of 1996 under Wilbur Malone, Dennis Leap and Cal Craven. I attended the Columbus and Cincinnati congregations for Sabbath and Holy Days. On the Sabbath on January 18, 1997, I remember hearing a Gerald Flurry sermon on cassette (this was before DVDs were used) where old Gerald prophesied that the Black Gentiles (his words) would rise up and riot against the White Israelite’s of the USA because of Bill Cosby’s son who was killed on HWA’s death anniversary 3 days before on Jan. 16. 1997 by a White assailant. He said this would culminate in race riots in the major cities. Of course none of this transpired at the time and I filed it under a “delayed prophecy” that would eventually come true like all the other false prophesies of HWA that were just waiting to be fulfilled.
I write this because of GF’s latest false “prophecy” of D. Trump being re-elected and deporting all of the PCG members and then being assassinated. Gerald Flurry is a con man and a fraud and is only out to steal his gullible members’ tithe and offering money. He cannot back up anything he predicts. Jeane Dixon had a better record of predicting the future than old brother Gerry ever did.
I was just wondering if any of your long time members remember this bogus Bill Cosby prophecy of times past. All of the cassettes have been destroyed like any good cult would do to cover itself.
I am in contact with one retired person in the PCG that still attends services. From what I have been told the congregations are split between the die hard Flurryites and those who are finding brother Gerry’s new Revelations hard to take. Most stay in because of family members, spouses, jobs/positions in the congregations, and dating potential mates. There is a lot of pressure to attend Holy Days and Personal Appearance Campaigns as well as Fund Raisers and Fruit Sales. Most of the PCG youth are heading for the hills as soon as they reach 18 with the exception of the sons and daughters of the privileged elite such as contact persons, deacons, children of ministers and favored lackeys and cronies of the ministry. If you drink the Kool-Aid as a PCG youth and be a good boot licker you might be able to attend PCG Youth Camp in Edmond.
Thanks to all the hard work that goes into your website. it has been 16 years since I have been out and your website has been invaluable. God Bless. –M. M., Ohio
Members Speculating / Flurry False Prophecies:
(2nd email from person above)
August 12, 2019
What I should have told you in my first email was that many members in the PCG were speculating on who would take over after Gerald Flurry is retired because of poor health– which has not been unnoticed by the members. There are some that say that they hope that Stephen Flurry is going to relax the rigid pharisaical standards of his father. Wayne Turgeon has been sent off to England to cool his heals and is considered a hard case like his father-in-law [Gerald Flurry]. I think that the hope is when GF dies/retires his son will sell off the jet and allow disfellowshipped people to come back and attend services. Who knows?
GF is such a fraud. When I came in June 1996 GF prophesied that the PCG would have a “Short Work” which would last only a few short years before the end. I remember the Trumpet articles that said this. The PCG is now into the 18 year beyond the “Last Hour” and these PCG elite frauds are still riding the old HWA gravy train.
There are many current PCG people that still talk to their disfellowshipped family members. They even post it on Facebook. So there are cracks in the Flurryite system that are starting to show. God Bless to you all. –M. M.
Stephen Flurry Will Most Certainly Take Over / Get Out Now:
September 4, 2019
It’s been quite a few years since I’ve emailed you and the ESN site. I’m glad that you still provide this valuable service.
I wanted to reply to M.M. who posted that members are speculating as to who will take over after GF becomes too ill to continue. This would also include the event of his passing. I can say without any hesitancy that this has been decided decades ago. Make no mistake about it that it is codified in writing that Stephen becomes the Pastor General of the PCG in either of the above scenarios. He is the heir and this was the case even when I was still in twenty years ago, and Stephen at that time was only in his late twenties. I once asked someone who was in the know about this, and he said emphatically that GF set it up for his son to take over in the event of his death. This was about 1999, or perhaps 2000. I’m sorry that I forgot this guys’ name, but he was a close friend of Stephen’s from Washington State. He was also close to the Joel Hilliker family, from which Stephen’s wife Amy came.
As far as Stephen relaxing the rigid Pharisaical standards of his father? Don’t anyone count on that happening. Stephen is an ultra-orthodox Armstrongite and of course Gerald Flurryite too. The disfellowshipment rules will not change one iota. Unless he makes them even stronger, which wouldn’t surprise me.
I also wouldn’t count on him selling the jet. I bet he rather likes it and will want to use it as often as finances will allow. Mostly he’ll want to keep it to help himself and his family “flee.” (Eye roll).
But, on the bright side I don’t expect the PCG to last very long after GF’s passing, or incapacitation. Just look how fast the WCG fell apart after HWA died. The PCG’s demise will be even faster. Much faster.
Those of you lurking members reading this my advice is to get out now. Your life is way too short to waste one more moment in that toxic organization that passes itself off as “God’s Church.” It was a bit scary for me to quit so I understand the fear of leaving. But once I did I never, ever regretted it. Not one bit. And nothing bad happened to me either, so don’t buy in to that nonsense that you will be “no longer protected or blessed.” That’s all nonsense.
–Regards, Michael Daniel (name used with permission)
PCG Already Showing Cracks in the Foundation:
September 5, 2019
I fully agree about Stephen Flurry inheriting the PCG throne. He’s been groomed for that position for years, and even now is taking GF’s place in the “personal appearances” campaign since GF’s health is becoming more frail. I also agree that the PCG will quickly go downhill after GF’s eventual death. It’s already showing cracks in the foundation in the form of fewer attendees and fewer local churches, which have had to be consolidated over the past few years. Plus overall, the membership is getting older; there’s many more gray hairs, bald heads, and attendees showing up for services in wheelchairs and walkers. –W. W.
September 5, 2019
A big reason why most don’t leave the PCG is because they are scripturally illiterate. I don’t mean that as an arrogant put down because being scripturally illiterate was a roadblock for me, and kept me captive to the Armstrongian spiritual prison. This is what happens whenever you let a man, or men who appoint themselves as “God’s men” tell you what the scriptures say. The fruits of this is Gerald Flurry saying, “I am That Prophet,” and the members believing it. If one is scripturally illiterate then he or she doesn’t know that by proclaiming “I am That Prophet” he is actually guilty of blasphemy.
About HWA’s Prayer Rock being the Stone of Destiny now. I remember reading about his “finding” the Prayer Rock shortly after I left the PCG. I gotta hand it to GF, he’s very good at keeping the sheep hypnotized with Armstrong Idolatry and passing it off as “obedience to God” Now I suppose he’s shifted more of the idolatry toward himself. PCG members must remember what Paul said about idols. It will save themselves a lot of deception. –Michael Daniel (former PCG member) [name used with permission]
PCG a Church With No Love:
September 8, 2019
First let me thank you for this informative website. Please keep it open for all to read and hopefully many more members of PCG will be brave enough to get the truth about what really goes on.
I attended the WCG for a few years then attended the PCG. I left the PCG around ten years ago after finding there was absolutely no “Love” in the organisation. Many of the members were sincere but the ministry was disgraceful.
I kept my personal information to myself but many were the times that certain members would try and get that information from me. I learnt early who were the spies in the congregation, knowing that whatever I said would be told to the minister.
I think the worst minister we had was Alex Harrison. It seems wherever he ministered he caused nothing but disharmony. He certainly is a true blue Armstrongite.
Like all other congregations, we met in dirty halls. One place was used for the cat society and the last hall I attended was so hot you could just not get cool. I had to come early to do the set up of the chairs, etc. Once I left my tie off and was blasted by a deacon for not showing respect.
On one feast day all the foodstuffs were placed on the table, and some of the younger people were so hungry they were at the beginning of the queue. Well the next feast day, Alex Harrison announced that the elders must go first and that no-one was to put too much on their plates. When the meal was over, there was plenty left over–no one was game enough to go back for seconds. How petty.
Keep up the good work. Regards, [name withheld]
Flurry Believing Again That the Ark of the Covenant Will Be Found:
September 11, 2019
In hopes of attracting more members, PCG has revived its idea that the ark of the covenant will be found. They had the feast there for a couple of years in Ireland but when nothing moved they moved the feast closer to Edstone. Now they are revving up that idea again probably to keep membership excited and hope to get more.
By the way, I saw photos from the Personal Appearance Campaigns. Most of the people there look to be PCG members with sprinkles of others and mostly elderly. I wonder if they are really as successful as the PCG brags to justify their plane purchase. –Ex-PCGer
None of Flurry’s Predictions or Prophecies Have Ever Come True:
September 26, 2019
I am an ex-member of the PCG. What I find missing in most comments is that not one of Gerald Flurry’s predictions or so called prophecies have ever come true and I’ve heard hundreds. At the time some were made, I knew they wouldn’t come true. In 2006 he said half of Jerusalem would be overrun that summer. I knew it would not happen because the Israeli army was too strong. Instead of correcting that, he kept making predictions. I say again, none, none have come true. God tells us if they don’t come true they’re not a prophet! And all are short term detailed predictions, I say again none came true! Check it out! –[name withheld]
GF Will Have a Plan if Trump isn’t Re-Elected
October 11, 2019
I’m sure that GF already has a plan for if Trump isn’t re-elected: either an excuse for his failed prophecy or a distraction. It could be that the current emphasis on the Ark of the Covenant is a distraction. It’s all mind games for him. –H. T.
Please, I Need Help!
October 27, 2019
I attended the Philadelphia Church of God but came to find out just what this “church” really was in 2017, how cruel it was, and after a long story I am going into a trial against my ex-husband for full custody of our minor children. They are forced to attend PCG services every other Saturday when they have said they do not want to go. As it stands right now unless I can prove that this “church” is not in their best interest he will continue to be able to take them, and if they continue to have their minds controlled by fear-based doctrines, I could possibly lose contact with all of them eventually. Children I raised basically by myself, homeschooled, sacrificed so much for, I gave so much of myself for my family. I can’t bare to lose them all.
For the PCG to eventually get to them and convince them that cutting off their mother is what God wants, and if they don’t, horrible things will happen to them, is beyond cruel! It is very difficult to get actual witnesses to come to court to tell their stories and prove this organization a danger to my children. But my lawyer says anyone who wants to help can write a letter, tell their story, help prove the dangers, the evils, of this organization. Prove that they have a no-contact policy and how they plan to escape to a place of safety. ANYTHING at all that you read or heard or experienced that you could help me get my children out of there would be of enormous help.
My lawyer will read your letter and if he thinks it is one he can use in our defense he will send it back to you in a form that will be turned into an affidavit. You would simply take it a lawyer to get it signed, and returned.
I will cover all costs that occur if need be.
Right now all the judge has is me saying its a cult, my kids are in danger, and my ex-husband saying, “no it’s not, it’s a fun loving normal church.” I need the judge to see the truth. We are trying to get a hold of a cult expert as well, Rick Ross.
I understand that a lot of you have been through so much pain and suffering, and this may not be what you are comfortable with, but please think of my children and how you could prevent that from happening to them by telling your story. Even if you think your story isn’t much proof, it really can be. You know what the PCG teaches, you know how my ex could run off to a “place of safety” basically kidnapping my children, and I may never see them again. You know of the no-contact rule once they are baptized. All this is proof and backs up what I’ve been saying. A little can go a long way if enough people are willing to help me get them out of there!
My lawyers email address is:
You can put in the subject box: PCG Testimony
Or contact Exit and Support Network for my email address.
Please, please pray about this, Don’t let this cult ruin my children and take them away from me. –[name withheld]
NOTE: If anyone responds to this email by emailing ESN, their letter will be forwarded to the person above.
Suzanne Davis Dies:
December 3, 2019
Suzanne Davis, wife of Brian Davis, passed away yesterday. –[name withheld]
Comment: Brian’s first wife, Brenda, is mentioned as dying in the testimony: Philadelphia Church of God is a Sick System!
Suspended Ministers in South America:
December 9, 2019
Hello ESN. A year ago the Chilean minister was suspended and two weeks ago the only minister left for South America was suspended with his wife. There are few members in the IDF in South America. They do not exceed 50 members. –N.